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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 21:40:42 GMT -5
Sharing a book I’m reading…
After a discussion of how the purpose of marriage has evolved over the ages, Finkel advocates for a "good enough" marriage. He suggests we take a step back and ask less of our marriages. Doing so, he says, will help us be less disappointed, taking pressure off the marriage and our spouses. He explains how it is a fairly recent cultural expectation that marriage should not only fulfill us in every way (socially, emotionally, financially, intellectually, and sexually), but also propel us to self-actualization. That's a ridiculously tall, even impossible order.
Finkel suggests we figure out what we most want from our marriages - financial security, co-parenting, community status, sexual fulfillment, etc? And then, lower the bar elsewhere. We can't have it all and we'll be happier once we accept this.
As for sex, Finkel says that long term sexual compatibility and satisfaction is rare in marriage. It's something both partners have to want in order to make it work. Barring that, he advocates masturbation and toys and also devotes a section of the book to consensual non-monogamy, which he admits is very difficult to sustain and not very common (he doesn’t necessarily advocate this, he’s just nodding to the discussion of it in the culture at large). He doesn't give cheating as an option, although he acknowledges it happens. He’s pro-marriage and pro-consent. I assume he would say that if you have to lie or cheat to get it, you might as well leave.
For anyone trying to stay and be amicable, even if just until the kids are raised, I think it’s a great read that might bring you some peace.
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Post by lwoetin on Jan 19, 2018 16:08:25 GMT -5
My library has 4 copies of it. I will read.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 22:56:06 GMT -5
My library has 4 copies of it. I will read. From what I know of your story, this book might really resonate with you lwoetin. I hope so anyway!
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Post by lwoetin on Jan 20, 2018 3:50:36 GMT -5
Thank you, and also thank you.
It's thicker than I expected. It would be nice if someone made a movie of this book so it takes only two hours to learn it. Otherwise, we should continue this book thread to discuss chapters.
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Post by Dan on Jan 21, 2018 15:28:26 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts, which I'll add to this thread later. But one quick question: why is the title "The All or Nothing Marriage"? Is that his name for the modern over-expectation ("All") that thus leads to divorce ("Nothing")?
It just sounds odd that he'd name the book the thing he is trying to denounce/undo/warn about. It feels -- from the gist of the book described in the OP -- that a more apt title would be "The Good-Enough Marriage: how the concept of the 'All or Nothing Marriage' is leading to unhappiness".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 16:51:38 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts, which I'll add to this thread later. But one quick question: why is the title "The All or Nothing Marriage"? Is that his name for the modern over-expectation ("All") that thus leads to divorce ("Nothing")? It just sounds odd that he'd name the book the thing he is trying to denounce/undo/warn about. It feels -- from the gist of the book described in the OP -- that a more apt title would be "The Good-Enough Marriage: how the concept of the 'All or Nothing Marriage' is leading to unhappiness". Yes, I think the title is as you’ve interpreted it. Finkel’s premise is that we ask everything of our marriages and when they don’t meet our every need and desire, we declare them nothing. I agree, a better title might be The Good Enough Marriage, but as a culture, we value excellence, even perfection. So the title was probably publisher’s choice, designed to sell books to the masses that want it all and think it’s possible and who would dismiss out of hand the concept of “good enough.” My .02!
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Post by lwoetin on Jan 31, 2018 4:06:39 GMT -5
I am enjoying this book. I've read half. I'm not sure how the author sees his marriage, but he doesn't seem to feel that it is just good enough. He is spending much time at the summit of Mt. Marriage, I bet. And he hasn't gotten to the part where I'm supposed to settle for good enough just yet. I guess my marriage is meaning-based instead of happiness-based. And that I'm self-delusional thinking my spouse is best partner for me because I'm committed to marriage. Apparently both are beneficial.
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Post by baza on Jan 31, 2018 5:03:06 GMT -5
By the standards of ILIASM shitholes, a marriage that was "good enough" would be an absolutely HUGE trade up.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Jan 31, 2018 6:53:50 GMT -5
On the title: “all or nothing” is simply a standard term for a particular form of flawed thinking. It’s not a usually helpful manner in which to believe in reality because it is rarely true that any part of life works that way. “All or nothing” and black/white and win-lose approaches are all particular sets of perspectives and set up unmeetable expectations, which then we are disappointed never happen. I’ve yet to get the book but I think I’d enjoy it (on a school break) I like the idea of “book club threads”!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 22:10:08 GMT -5
I like the idea of “book club threads”! Me too GG!
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Post by lwoetin on Feb 1, 2018 4:19:56 GMT -5
On the title: “all or nothing” is simply a standard term for a particular form of flawed thinking. It’s not a usually helpful manner in which to believe in reality because it is rarely true that any part of life works that way. “All or nothing” and black/white and win-lose approaches are all particular sets of perspectives and set up unmeetable expectations, which then we are disappointed never happen. I’ve yet to get the book but I think I’d enjoy it (on a school break) I like the idea of “book club threads”! GG, you will enjoy it. The author and his grad students did their research and given a nice historical perspective of how marital relationships have evolved from past to present. All or nothing.... like that Nascar phrase...'If you ain't first, you're last.' It's a perspective that may be too risky and difficult for many (relationships).
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