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Post by Dan on Jan 15, 2018 17:58:49 GMT -5
I recently stumbled across this. Doesn't look like it is trying to sell something. (That's good.) Doesn't look as simple-minded as the normal "bacon-scented candle" drivel. (That's good.) But -- as usual -- it probably won't help members here, as things are pretty far gone by the time you have found this forum. (Sorry, 'bout that.) Nonetheless, I post it, on the off chance that even ONE PERSON someday gets something useful out of it. www.smartmarriages.com/index.htmlI actually agree with its notional premise: marriage cannot be based solely on "love", any more than you can win a professional sports game based solely on "team spirit". Marriage skills can be learned, refined, and embraced. From the site: Again -- sorry -- there is not necessarily much here to address a sexless marriage.
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Post by baza on Jan 15, 2018 19:03:07 GMT -5
This is most interesting. I was just thinking about this over the weekend.
Brief background - I got out of my ILIASM deal in 2009, have been living with Ms enna since 2010 in the relationship of my life.
I would say that Ms enna and I *fight* more than I ever did in my old ILIASM deal. But the critical element is, that we end up resolving the disagreement. That's the big difference I see.
In my ILIASM deal there were fewer *fights* but they were never resolved and they accrued into a toxic pile.
In the baz/enna deal, there are more *fights*, but they get resolved and do not accrue into a toxic pile.
We do our level best to *fight fair* and make a reasonable fist of it most of the time.
I speculate that *fighting* less in my ILIASM deal was because I couldn't be arsed with it eventually as it achieved nothing. But in the baz/enna environment, it actually achieves things, and thus I am far more inclined to engage in that process.
I guess I figure that the enna/baz thing is worth the investment too. My ILIASM deal was eventually not worth investing resources and energy toward.
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Post by takestwototango on Jan 16, 2018 2:49:37 GMT -5
I was just telling my h yesterday that I love him, but it's not enough. Just love can never be enough. I'm not sure if he got it...
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Post by WindSister on Jan 17, 2018 9:33:51 GMT -5
Good stuff. And it might not work in a toxic relationship if both parties aren't fully invested in recovering the relationship, but it's important stuff to know in a healthy/functional relationship.
To spin off from what Baz was saying, on the site they claim the number one predictor of divorce is avoidance of conflict. I don't call it "fighting" though - it's taking on conflict with the intention to, yes, resolve it. For the good of the relationship, not the good of "me" or the good of "you" but for the good of "us." While also staying true to "me" -- phew. All tricky stuff. lol Not claiming to be an expert, I just know in a healthy/functional relationship you address things for resolution and both parties are invested.
Once the four horsemen start tromping in, it's tough to recover. Criticism, contempt, defensiveness, stonewalling.
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