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Post by twotimesone on Jul 21, 2017 9:26:26 GMT -5
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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Jul 21, 2017 12:50:21 GMT -5
That was a long article, I read and appreciated every word of it.
This is the last paragraph:
"Men in established relationships and marriage need to remember that women are women first and foremost… and wives and mothers second. If a man stops bringing passion and effort to his relationship and stops treating her as a desired woman, he shouldn't be surprised when she feels forced to fill her needs elsewhere."
Essentially I feel like I can agree with a lot of what he found.
I would say that a bit of it does not fit me, personally, but that overall I can see why that would be an easy conclusion to come to.
I do wish my H would put a little effort into some passion, I know I do... I regularly surprise him and find special events for us to go to that I think he will enjoy (even if it isn't my cup of tea), I give him the compliments that are backed up by me hugging and kissing him randomly, I try and find new ways to make our bedroom more appealing and satisfying... Or even try and seek him out when I cannot stop thinking about tasting him... And yet some days I just kind of feel he is complacent.
Things like this make me wish my daughter was older so we could travel wherever and she could adjust better to school and environment changes. Not that our sex life was better when we were traveling, but it was more spontenious... Anyway, I have drawled on... My bad.
Tldr; good share, he made some great speculations and even found he was lacking in his own relationship just as we are.
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Post by jim44444 on Jul 21, 2017 12:58:44 GMT -5
Although the article was focused on why women were on Ashley Madison the conclusions are not gender specific. He did not need to create fake profiles on AM and toy with the real emotions of real women to get his story. He could have easily read the stories of women on here. It sounded to me as he got paid to stroke his ego by flirting and misleading. He is a social parasite. Anyone who has read just a few stories here knows it not just the sex. If it was only sex then starfish and masturbation would be the solution. What we in ILIASM or AM need, crave, desire and lust for is passion. It is passion that makes us feel complete.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jul 21, 2017 16:58:12 GMT -5
Yes interesting article, until the last few paragraphs.
I'll speak for myself here. Love is a two way street. Just like men, a woman can get complacent in a marriage. Once that ring is on the finger, the intimacy and sex dwindles. Then comes the children. The man is shoved aside and left fending for himself, in all aspects of touch, passion, intimacy, respect, and being needed. In my case he was quite wrong about the marriage first, career and children second. In fact my wife made sure her career stayed in tact. Her concern for passion? Enough to procreate.
Then came the "not my concern, I don't see the need for it". Along with the occasional B.S. of "why don't you surprise me and call me at work and take me out for lunch?"
Um, because you're a control freak. You told me years ago that we can't afford it. You told me years ago that you don't want gifts. You told me years ago how tired you are all the time. You told me years ago how busy you are at work and how you don't have time. You treat any act of service like it was OK, but now it needs to continue (regularly...like a paid servant would do), now you should do more, and more, while receiving nothing in return.. Rejecting everything (including touch and intimacy) as "never good enough".
That's what ran through my mind when some of these woman complained about their husbands being involved in their work. It's a two way street. How much have the played the Golden Uterus card and rejected their Husbands?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 22:55:42 GMT -5
Although the article was focused on why women were on Ashley Madison the conclusions are not gender specific. He did not need to create fake profiles on AM and toy with the real emotions of real women to get his story. He could have easily read the stories of women on here. It sounded to me as he got paid to stroke his ego by flirting and misleading. He is a social parasite. Anyone who has read just a few stories here knows it not just the sex. If it was only sex then starfish and masturbation would be the solution. What we in ILIASM or AM need, crave, desire and lust for is passion. It is passion that makes us feel complete. Bravo. And if I were his wife, I'd be calling bull$hit to that research idea.
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 22, 2017 7:54:36 GMT -5
As a woman that turned to AM, allow me to give my point of view and where I was coming from. I agree with jim44444 that it's a need for connection but with me it was also my self esteem. I needed feedback, I needed to find out what was wrong with me, do I not give a good BJ? After giving birth to children am I not tight? Things like that and I straight up asked the man I was with the first time after round 2 or 3. I do not think the majority of the women on AM are sexual refusers to their H with Golden Uterus Syndtome. I never once refused my H. I think the typical women refusers are not seeking sex. To get on AM you have hit rock bottom and I did but something good came out of it for me. The majority are scammer women/ prostitutes trying to make money or women that have hit rock bottom need affection, attention, and intimacy and need a safe place to find that. AM provided me a place, a method to meet another married person who had as much to lose and therefore be discreet. AM worked for me. It served it's purpose and I do not regret it. The man I met that first time rocked my world in bed and he still is. The AP has evolved to a friendship, he's now in an open marriage and his wife knows about me. He knows I'm dating and it's nice to be dating and not feel desperate for sex. It's my bday on Wednesday and his wife told him to take the day off work to spend it with me. I've never met her but I like her and I'm thankful for what I have, all because of AM!
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Post by solodriver on Jul 22, 2017 13:30:22 GMT -5
"Um, because your a control freak. You told me years ago that we can't afford it. You told me years ago that you don't want gifts. You told me years ago how tired you are all the time. You told me years ago how busy you are at work and how you don't have time. You treat any act of service like it was OK, but know it needs to continue, now you should do more, and more. Rejecting everything (including touch and intimacy) as "never good enough"."
Greatcoastal, thanks for describing it exactly the way my marriage has been.
These are the exact things my wife told me over the years, and then added that she is no longer desires sex due to menopause. And this is why she is now just a roommate to me. I have emotionally separated myself from her completely.
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Post by DryCreek on Jul 22, 2017 13:33:18 GMT -5
I didn't care for his research method, but I found the end of the article thought-provoking with his wife's reaction. Not that it's any revelation that people in relationships tend to become complacent and stop wooing each other.
Word of the week for me is gratitude. It seems to be a common element in long-lived happy marriages, and it's one of the things that suffers first in a relationship's decline.
Early in the relationship we invest more heavily. Broadly, we're grateful for what the other person adds to our life. So we make an extra effort. Not to get sex; not because they're reciprocating kindness.
When the gratitude fades -- even just on one side -- so does the inspiration to nurture the relationship. When actions are ignored - or worse, our motives are questioned, we become trained that nurturing the relationship is a waste of effort, or even a bad thing to do.
I'm still developing my thinking around this, but tying it back to the article it's evident in both the women he played, as well as his own wife, that complacency is a big threat to relationships. And that may be another "no duh" conclusion, but it sure seems to bite a lot of us.
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Post by lifeinwoodinville on Jul 23, 2017 15:23:45 GMT -5
I read the article, I thought it was interesting. But like everyone else, the end is what got me, except I go the other way. I have tried and tried to do the special things for my wife and she does occasionally reciprocate, but never in the way I need her to. I no longer feel like I want to put that effort into the relationship anymore, it's her turn to woo me!! If she wants me to put the effort into making her feel special then she needs to give me what I need first.
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Post by DryCreek on Jul 23, 2017 17:03:55 GMT -5
I read the article, I thought it was interesting. But like everyone else, the end is what got me, except I go the other way. I have tried and tried to do the special things for my wife and she does occasionally reciprocate, but never in the way I need her to. I no longer feel like I want to put that effort into the relationship anymore, it's her turn to woo me!! If she wants me to put the effort into making her feel special then she needs to give me what I need first. Your position is completely legitimate, but it's easy to see how the two of you could get deadlocked waiting for the other. I think once the relationship degrades and you're not "doing things for the other just because", it becomes a race to the bottom.
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Post by lifeinwoodinville on Jul 23, 2017 18:19:49 GMT -5
I read the article, I thought it was interesting. But like everyone else, the end is what got me, except I go the other way. I have tried and tried to do the special things for my wife and she does occasionally reciprocate, but never in the way I need her to. I no longer feel like I want to put that effort into the relationship anymore, it's her turn to woo me!! If she wants me to put the effort into making her feel special then she needs to give me what I need first. Your position is completely legitimate, but it's easy to see how the two of you could get deadlocked waiting for the other. I think once the relationship degrades and you're not "doing things for the other just because", it becomes a race to the bottom. Yep.
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Post by WindSister on Jul 24, 2017 9:05:44 GMT -5
As a woman that turned to AM, allow me to give my point of view and where I was coming from. I agree with jim44444 that it's a need for connection but with me it was also my self esteem. I needed feedback, I needed to find out what was wrong with me, do I not give a good BJ? After giving birth to children am I not tight? Things like that and I straight up asked the man I was with the first time after round 2 or 3. I do not think the majority of the women on AM are sexual refusers to their H with Golden Uterus Syndtome. I never once refused my H. I think the typical women refusers are not seeking sex. To get on AM you have hit rock bottom and I did but something good came out of it for me. The majority are scammer women/ prostitutes trying to make money or women that have hit rock bottom need affection, attention, and intimacy and need a safe place to find that. AM provided me a place, a method to meet another married person who had as much to lose and therefore be discreet. AM worked for me. It served it's purpose and I do not regret it. The man I met that first time rocked my world in bed and he still is. The AP has evolved to a friendship, he's now in an open marriage and his wife knows about me. He knows I'm dating and it's nice to be dating and not feel desperate for sex. It's my bday on Wednesday and his wife told him to take the day off work to spend it with me. I've never met her but I like her and I'm thankful for what I have, all because of AM! I can 100% agree with this and it was the same path for me. Yes, it's better to love ourselves and feel better about ourselves for ourselves, but after a SM where we were rejected that feedback is needed. I learned men liked me. That was HUGE for me. I can't see me ever going back to that site. 1. I won't cheat on my husband. 2. Even if I found myself single again, I wouldn't want a man who is cheating. 3. I know I am worthy of affection, sex, love so I don't need to explore that anymore. But, yes, it served this same purpose for me at the time as well.
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Post by beachguy on Jul 24, 2017 17:27:35 GMT -5
As a woman that turned to AM, allow me to give my point of view and where I was coming from. I agree with jim44444 that it's a need for connection but with me it was also my self esteem. I needed feedback, I needed to find out what was wrong with me, do I not give a good BJ? After giving birth to children am I not tight? Things like that and I straight up asked the man I was with the first time after round 2 or 3. I do not think the majority of the women on AM are sexual refusers to their H with Golden Uterus Syndtome. I never once refused my H. I think the typical women refusers are not seeking sex. To get on AM you have hit rock bottom and I did but something good came out of it for me. The majority are scammer women/ prostitutes trying to make money or women that have hit rock bottom need affection, attention, and intimacy and need a safe place to find that. AM provided me a place, a method to meet another married person who had as much to lose and therefore be discreet. AM worked for me. It served it's purpose and I do not regret it. The man I met that first time rocked my world in bed and he still is. The AP has evolved to a friendship, he's now in an open marriage and his wife knows about me. He knows I'm dating and it's nice to be dating and not feel desperate for sex. It's my bday on Wednesday and his wife told him to take the day off work to spend it with me. I've never met her but I like her and I'm thankful for what I have, all because of AM! I can 100% agree with this and it was the same path for me. Yes, it's better to love ourselves and feel better about ourselves for ourselves, but after a SM where we were rejected that feedback is needed. I learned men liked me. That was HUGE for me. I can't see me ever going back to that site. 1. I won't cheat on my husband. 2. Even if I found myself single again, I wouldn't want a man who is cheating. 3. I know I am worthy of affection, sex, love so I don't need to explore that anymore. But, yes, it served this same purpose for me at the time as well. Did you find an AP on AM?
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Post by greatcoastal on Jul 24, 2017 18:45:06 GMT -5
As a woman that turned to AM, allow me to give my point of view and where I was coming from. I agree with jim44444 that it's a need for connection but with me it was also my self esteem. I needed feedback, I needed to find out what was wrong with me, do I not give a good BJ? After giving birth to children am I not tight? Things like that and I straight up asked the man I was with the first time after round 2 or 3. I do not think the majority of the women on AM are sexual refusers to their H with Golden Uterus Syndtome. I never once refused my H. I think the typical women refusers are not seeking sex. To get on AM you have hit rock bottom and I did but something good came out of it for me. The majority are scammer women/ prostitutes trying to make money or women that have hit rock bottom need affection, attention, and intimacy and need a safe place to find that. AM provided me a place, a method to meet another married person who had as much to lose and therefore be discreet. AM worked for me. It served it's purpose and I do not regret it. The man I met that first time rocked my world in bed and he still is. The AP has evolved to a friendship, he's now in an open marriage and his wife knows about me. He knows I'm dating and it's nice to be dating and not feel desperate for sex. It's my bday on Wednesday and his wife told him to take the day off work to spend it with me. I've never met her but I like her and I'm thankful for what I have, all because of AM! This ties into my other post about wanting to be desired. It's about your self esteem, your need for feedback. You needed affection, attention, and intimacy. You had your world rocked, in bed. Is it safe to say, you now have a better understanding of what kind of body type (man) is going to desire you?
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Post by bballgirl on Jul 24, 2017 19:04:10 GMT -5
As a woman that turned to AM, allow me to give my point of view and where I was coming from. I agree with jim44444 that it's a need for connection but with me it was also my self esteem. I needed feedback, I needed to find out what was wrong with me, do I not give a good BJ? After giving birth to children am I not tight? Things like that and I straight up asked the man I was with the first time after round 2 or 3. I do not think the majority of the women on AM are sexual refusers to their H with Golden Uterus Syndtome. I never once refused my H. I think the typical women refusers are not seeking sex. To get on AM you have hit rock bottom and I did but something good came out of it for me. The majority are scammer women/ prostitutes trying to make money or women that have hit rock bottom need affection, attention, and intimacy and need a safe place to find that. AM provided me a place, a method to meet another married person who had as much to lose and therefore be discreet. AM worked for me. It served it's purpose and I do not regret it. The man I met that first time rocked my world in bed and he still is. The AP has evolved to a friendship, he's now in an open marriage and his wife knows about me. He knows I'm dating and it's nice to be dating and not feel desperate for sex. It's my bday on Wednesday and his wife told him to take the day off work to spend it with me. I've never met her but I like her and I'm thankful for what I have, all because of AM! This ties into my other post about wanting to be desired. It's about your self esteem, your need for feedback. You needed affection, attention, and intimacy. You had your world rocked, in bed. Is it safe to say, you now have a better understanding of what kind of body type (man) is going to desire you? No I have no idea what "type" of man other than the horny type desiring me. I have received messages from and gone out with men of all different body types. Our biggest sex organ is our brain and it isn't what they look like that attracts them to me, it's ME that attracts me to them. So there's no type. On dating app initial attraction is based mostly on the way the person looks and what they write in their profile. Then you text if it's a match. Next talk on the phone or meet for coffee. You either want to kiss each other or you don't. A man I've been seeing since June, just for fun, like a Summer Fling, he's hot as hell but this is going to have a shelf life. Anyway we both swiped right, chatted a day or two then met for dinner, I was very attracted to him right away so I told him to sit next to me in the booth, we ate had a great conversation, he walked me to my car and asked if he may kiss me. We kissed and took it from there. I have a date with a new man for this weekend. There are steps and layers to get to that point of attraction and desire and it's trial and error. I may have to meet 100 men before I find the one or I may never find the one. I can accept that too because I know I won't be celibate.
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