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Post by neonspace on May 20, 2017 13:44:53 GMT -5
My wife will occasionally offer me pity/guilt sex usually a couple of days after we have a conversation about a lack of intimacy, or when she can tell I'm extremely frustrated and bothered. She has told me that she agrees to sex because she feels guilty about it. She has also said she doesn't find it relaxing and considers it work and would rather watch TV or sleep. That just makes me feel guilty. If she is offering I don't want to be the one to deny, but I also don't like making her do something she doesn't enjoy and the feeling of guilt. Pity sex, when you know it is just that, isn't all that great. It just sucks not being desired or found attractive. It is the slightest bit of effort, and I don't want to discourage that. I'm not sure what to do.
Any suggestions or experiences on how to handle this situation?
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Post by bballgirl on May 20, 2017 13:55:16 GMT -5
You are definitely experiencing reset sex. I say this because she is only having sex after she sees you are upset. Reset sex sucks. I tolerated that for 13 years, the sex was awful. Eventually I became a counter refuser and I no longer desired my H. If you are still in love and still attracted to your wife then i reccomend you lay your cards on the table and make her aware that your marriage is in crisis because it is whether either of you know it or not. 80% of marriages are not sexless even bad marriages and that's because sex is a biological need. Read on here and seek support it helps.
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Post by northstarmom on May 20, 2017 14:04:40 GMT -5
My wife will occasionally offer me pity/guilt sex usually a couple of days after we have a conversation about a lack of intimacy, or when she can tell I'm extremely frustrated and bothered. She has told me that she agrees to sex because she feels guilty about it. She has also said she doesn't find it relaxing and considers it work and would rather watch TV or sleep. That just makes me feel guilty. If she is offering I don't want to be the one to deny, but I also don't like making her do something she doesn't enjoy and the feeling of guilt. Pity sex, when you know it is just that, isn't all that great. It just sucks not being desired or found attractive. It is the slightest bit of effort, and I don't want to discourage that. I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions or experiences on how to handle this situation?
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Post by northstarmom on May 20, 2017 14:11:05 GMT -5
You can't make someone sexually desire you. Laying your cards on the table will not make her enjoy having sex with you. The only person you can change is yourself.
You either can force yourself to be happy with the pity sex she offers (unlikely to work you no more can change your reactions to that sex than she can change her reactions) or you can choose to become available to a passionate partner via outsourcing or divorce or you can choose celibacy while remaining married and becoming content with what you have.
Think about a person whom you have no sexual attraction to. If they threatened you could you then happily have enjoyable sex with them?
Realize that just because your wife doesn't want to have sex with you does NOT mean that no woman would want you.
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Post by snowman12345 on May 20, 2017 16:10:35 GMT -5
My wife will occasionally offer me pity/guilt sex usually a couple of days after we have a conversation about a lack of intimacy, or when she can tell I'm extremely frustrated and bothered. She has told me that she agrees to sex because she feels guilty about it. She has also said she doesn't find it relaxing and considers it work and would rather watch TV or sleep. That just makes me feel guilty. If she is offering I don't want to be the one to deny, but I also don't like making her do something she doesn't enjoy and the feeling of guilt. Pity sex, when you know it is just that, isn't all that great. It just sucks not being desired or found attractive. It is the slightest bit of effort, and I don't want to discourage that. I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions or experiences on how to handle this situation? So, you have a relationship built on guilt. How very exciting for you! My W doesn't want to have sex and I still do. I went out and found someone else to fuck. That is my solution - I will not offer it up to you as the best answer, but it is my answer. Read other people's stories here and you will find all kinds of answers that are right for those people. But, as bballgirl said laying your cards on the table will get you a genuine conversation, but you will not know any more about where you stand then you do right now. She doesn't want to have sex with you - so she lays on the guilt. You need sex - so you lay on the guilt. It ain't going to change until you change it. Just my two cents. Good luck to you, I hope you find peace.
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Post by baza on May 20, 2017 18:12:32 GMT -5
You don't *have* to do anything Brother neonspaceYou can just keep going "as is" if you like. Given a bit of time your desire to root your missus will decline due to her unenthusiasm, and you won't even be moved to crack a fat in her presence. Meantime, I have heard that fitting a strobe light in the bedroom can create the illusion that your missus is actually moving when you have a root. Longer term however, "what you see is what you get". Would it be a dealbreaker for you if this situation continues (as it will) ??
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Post by McRoomMate on May 21, 2017 18:54:50 GMT -5
Honestly this situation does not sound good at all.
Is it possible for someone to "refall in love" with you? To self generate passion internally for you?
I am not sure obligating oneself to have sex is what is meant by "labor of love"?
I suppose "laying your cards on the table" might be a logical next step . . . but how many more steps are there and where do they lead?
Could it simply be "what you see is what you get?" and any efforts and "progress" will inevitably fall back into the natural current "default mode" ?
I would invite you to peruse all the posts here . . . all the efforts made and see how most of these turn out.
I spent a lot of time googling "getting the passion back" and "falling in love again" or how to "maintain the passion".
Courage and blessings sent your way! At least you are not alone any more.
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Post by northstarmom on May 21, 2017 19:41:11 GMT -5
Honestly this situation does not sound good at all. Is it possible for someone to "refall in love" with you? To self generate passion internally for you? I am not sure obligating oneself to have sex is what is meant by "labor of love"? I suppose "laying your cards on the table" might be a logical next step . . . but how many more steps are there and where do they lead? Could it simply be "what you see is what you get?" and any efforts and "progress" will inevitably fall back into the natural current "default mode" ? I would invite you to peruse all the posts here . . . all the efforts made and see how most of these turn out. I spent a lot of time googling "getting the passion back" and "falling in love again" or how to "maintain the passion". Courage and blessings sent your way! At least you are not alone any more.
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Post by northstarmom on May 21, 2017 19:45:48 GMT -5
For a person to refall in love, they would have had to be in love in the first place. From what I've read here, many end up in sm because their spouses wanted companionship, financial help, a wedding, children, to look good to others, etc. but never were in love when they got married. That's how some were able to offer sex before marriage then end it on their honeymoon. Of course, refuses want to keep the marriage that benefits them so they don't admit marrying for convenience, not love. Actions speak louder than words.
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Post by neonspace on May 24, 2017 10:00:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies and support.
We had a bit of a blow up last night. She offered reset sex and I said no. She actually made an effort, took a bath invited me to join, I said no, then made another advance, I said no. She was pissed. She said she was trying to throw me a bone. I found that comment very revealing. She even used the word "reset", saying she wanted to reset things back to the way they were.
One of the things she mentioned in a previous conversation was childhood sex abuse and flashbacks. She doesn't want to bring that history up in counseling and for now is refusing to attend. I have scheduled a session for myself next week. Ive known about the abuse since we were dating but thought she a handle on it, but recently found out about the frequent flashbacks she has during intercourse. I don't like the idea of triggering that pain for her during sex and it is part of the reason I don't want to do it any more. She says she wants to get back to normal and will just push those thoughts and memories away during sex if it happens so we can be happy again. She has even offered scheduled sex twice a week.
This doesn't seem like a good idea to me and I think it will make her resent me (more) in the end. She does seem to be trying, but I think professional help is needed, but I don't want to force her, she has to want to get help. Am I being unreasonable? Do I accept the bone she is trying to throw me as an olive branch in the meantime, while she tries to work through this? I want to be supportive and not ice her out, if she really wants to change. How do I know when she is really committed to self improvement? Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Post by h on May 24, 2017 10:15:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies and support. We had a bit of a blow up last night. She offered reset sex and I said no. She actually made an effort, took a bath invited me to join, I said no, then made another advance, I said no. She was pissed. She said she was trying to throw me a bone. I found that comment very revealing. She even used the word "reset", saying she wanted to reset things back to the way they were. One of the things she mentioned in a previous conversation was childhood sex abuse and flashbacks. She doesn't want to bring that history up in counseling and for now is refusing to attend. I have scheduled a session for myself next week. Ive known about the abuse since we were dating but thought she a handle on it, but recently found out about the frequent flashbacks she has during intercourse. I don't like the idea of triggering that pain for her during sex and it is part of the reason I don't want to do it any more. She says she wants to get back to normal and will just push those thoughts and memories away during sex if it happens so we can be happy again. She has even offered scheduled sex twice a week. This doesn't seem like a good idea to me and I think it will make her resent me (more) in the end. She does seem to be trying, but I think professional help is needed, but I don't want to force her, she has to want to get help. Am I being unreasonable? Do I accept the bone she is trying to throw me as an olive branch in the meantime, while she tries to work through this? I want to be supportive and not ice her out, if she really wants to change. How do I know when she is really committed to self improvement? Thoughts? Suggestions? She has willfully admitted that there is a problem. She refused to get help from the counselor in dealing with the problem. Her unwillingness is your answer. If she doesn't deal with the problem, she will grow to resent you things will only get worse. Don't accept her "bone" unless she talks to the counselor about her problems.
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Post by northstarmom on May 24, 2017 10:54:11 GMT -5
Neon,
If she wanted to change, she would tell the counselor about her sexual abuse. Since she is not doing that, she is just using the sexual abuse as an excuse not to have sex with you. She may not even have a history of sexual abuse.
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Post by merrygoround on May 24, 2017 11:45:27 GMT -5
In my experience, if someone has a problem - psychological, sexual, medical, addictive such as alcohol/drugs etc then suggest professional help all you want - BUT that person has to WANT help and do the work required. It's a difficult path. "White Knuckling" it oneself is virtually impossible. It seems from what you have written, that she does not want professional help.
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Post by Dan on May 24, 2017 11:54:39 GMT -5
This doesn't seem like a good idea to me and I think it will make her resent me (more) in the end. She does seem to be trying, but I think professional help is needed, but I don't want to force her, she has to want to get help. Am I being unreasonable? Do I accept the bone she is trying to throw me as an olive branch in the meantime, while she tries to work through this? I want to be supportive and not ice her out, if she really wants to change. How do I know when she is really committed to self improvement? Thoughts? Suggestions? Her resentment? If she is trying to not let it affect your marital sex life, let her give it a shot. I have something to suggest: have her read The Forty Beads method. (You can read it too, but the technique really involves the wife buying in to the concept by giving you forty beads.) It really isn't a solution for sexless marriages: it won't help a spouse who doesn't like sex or averse to sex with you. Rather it is a technique for sex-starved marriages -- where the principal problem is harried lives -- where both members of the couple realize there WILL be a benefit of a healthy, mutually fulfilling marital sex life. It is really a technique for "scheduling sex", making it feel plentiful, and enjoying the build up to the deed. It is a long shot. But if all you have is long shots, this is one that just might fit your situation. ---- That said, it DEFINITELY sounds like she should be in individual therapy. You, too, perhaps (to help head off the resentment if she is still willing to try). In fact, you each in individual therapy might help more than you two being in couples therapy at this time.
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Post by northstarmom on May 24, 2017 11:59:37 GMT -5
Unless a person is very self centered and selfish, getting sex because your wife wants to "throw you a bone" sounds humiliating, degrading and unsatisfactory. There is nothing loving or caring in how she offers sex to you. She seems to view you as an annoyance to be appeased.
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