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Post by novembercomingfire on Apr 30, 2017 8:01:52 GMT -5
I am posting this in hopes that someone will tell me what i am missing. On prodding from me, my wife has now determined that she never (ever) wanted to be physically intimate with me because "all i had in my head was a fantasy world about sex, and it isn't real." And so she put up a wall because she doesn't want to be a part of something that isn't real. There was no additional explanation, although honestly i don't even know what this means. This is apparently just something she realized as of late. So, its not her problem.
i posted in another thread that I felt it necessary to get some kind of explanation from her for the basis of 25+ years of sexlessness (even though i knew it isn't really meaningful at this point). But i don't know what to do with this at all. It's yet again, "this is all my fault." She is perfect and absolved from any responsibility. I know what my rational answer to this is, but i am not in a position to pull the trigger as yet.
Well, i guess i got what i asked for - an explanation ...
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Post by thefullmoon on Apr 30, 2017 8:18:24 GMT -5
I am posting this in hopes that someone will tell me what i am missing. On prodding from me, my wife has now determined that she never (ever) wanted to be physically intimate with me because "all i had in my head was a fantasy world about sex, and it isn't real." And so she put up a wall because she doesn't want to be a part of something that isn't real. There was no additional explanation, although honestly i don't even know what this means. This is apparently just something she realized as of late. So, its not her problem. i posted in another thread that I felt it necessary to get some kind of explanation from her for the basis of 25+ years of sexlessness (even though i knew it isn't really meaningful at this point). But i don't know what to do with this at all. It's yet again, "this is all my fault." She is perfect and absolved from any responsibility. I know what my rational answer to this is, but i am not in a position to pull the trigger as yet. Well, i guess i got what i asked for - an explanation ... The world is full of sex... Selling sex is the oldest prifession...sex sells...anything...multibillion sex industry... do I need to carry on? Your wife has chosen to ignore the real world...but the most disturbing thing - she does not have any doubts in her own opinion...to the extend of ignoring everybody else... What is your choice? You can agree and accept her delusional planet....
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Post by merrygoround on Apr 30, 2017 8:42:59 GMT -5
Wtf??? Sex is the most real, basest, primal instinct known to mankind! All I can say is well, you got your explanation - and she is "absolved" of all responsibility. That works both ways - you're absolved of yours. Jeez.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Apr 30, 2017 8:44:21 GMT -5
It may be unrealistic for us to have married someone without full explanations from each of: what do you think a healthy sex life IS? For my deal, both of our definitions simply changed over 25 years together. I don't believe that either of us (my Ex & me) are "at fault" for that. It's just a pity that our changes were in opposite directions instead of closer to each other's preferred definitions. No one is really at fault - either for not wanting it OR for "wanting too much" But I couldn't live happily (even moderately so) in the remains of the partnership that became the "current" reality. By the time I ended it, we had exceeded the "sell by" date by at least a few years (8, mebbe?)
NCF - I think your W has simply created her own combination of semantics that she thought sounds good. Whether you accept/believe it is up to you. As you noted, it doesn't change any of the facts on the ground or the reality of what you're living with. I hope you find some way to your own happiness.
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Post by novembercomingfire on Apr 30, 2017 9:33:35 GMT -5
Thanks all. Apparently this is the weekend to let me in on all of my shortcomings and how much of a failure i am as a spouse and father. It can mean all or it can mean nothing to me, but her kind of rationalizing after the fact self serving commentary is hurtful nevertheless ...
I know what is coming. I am not prepared in the manner recommended by the wise members of this group.
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Post by Chatter Fox on Apr 30, 2017 10:42:19 GMT -5
Well... let's see. I don't want to jump to conclusions. May I ask what your expectations are regarding sex with her?
I don't know, things like... How often? How high of quality? How often the quality is up to par? What kind of sense of adventure? How much intimacy involved? What sense of romance? Etc Etc?
Also, what is she basing this accusation of a fantasy sex life on? Have you ever expressed overly high expections to her? Also, how much has she tried to meet your expectations through the years ...even if she may see them as unrealistic?
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Post by lyn on Apr 30, 2017 10:46:19 GMT -5
novembercomingfireTry to let ALL of your W's comments roll off like "water on a duck's back". Her rationale is completely irrational. She's talking in circles - it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a real conversation with an irrational person. It can, and often does, make one feel "guilty" and like your going a little nuts. She's probably got some idea that sex is always like porno sex (or thinks that's what most people [you] think). Could very well stem from her own feelings of inadequacy in that dept. Still - irrational people speak and it's just NOISE. Sorry you're going through this-
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 11:06:56 GMT -5
novembercomingfire,
I feel for you in your situation I was reading this morning about life as a teacher. Let it strengthen you and sand down those rough edges. Take this time to learn in your situation. Yeah, it's painful but if you can overcome it you'll feel much better.
It's better not to run and face something. It always comes back and more than likely you'll marry another woman who'll treat you the same way.
You have to accept that your wife is who she is. Work on yourself and then when you're strong and ready, then leave. When I gave up on trying to change my wife things started to change.
By accepting who your wife is does not mean you have to put with the negativity. If your wife is emotionally hurting you then start distancing yourself from her. I removed my wedding ring last year and have not worn it. It was the start of a major change in my life. It's a little thing but it's powerful.
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Post by TMD on Apr 30, 2017 11:21:00 GMT -5
I know what is coming. I am not prepared in the manner recommended by the wise members of this group. You have resources. You can start researching, planning, doing things for you that make you happy. That way, when you are sufficiently prepared ---because, let's face it, there's only so much in your control --- so that you are also confident in the choice you make to move ahead with your life in a way that is healthy for you.
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Post by worksforme2 on Apr 30, 2017 12:03:59 GMT -5
This is as good an example as it gets when it comes to pursuing the "why". Even if you actually get an answer, how often does it really change anything. In my own situation I think I figured out the "why". My X simply had no desire, and no desire to have desire. She didn't really love me. I wasn't her soul mate. She was happy with what she saw as security and not being alone, and spending time with an amiable companion, except for being pestered about intimacy. She had a great travel companion, a really handy, handy man(40 yrs. construction/ building). She wasn't interested in sex with me or anyone else. Am I any better off knowing what I know? Are you?
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Post by baza on Apr 30, 2017 19:27:17 GMT -5
You are - "not in a position to pull the trigger as yet" - you say Brother novembercomingfireFair enough. Your mission would appear to be to get yourself into a position where you ARE ready to pull the trigger. The usual protocols, see a lawyer etc etc.
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Post by bballgirl on Apr 30, 2017 19:35:32 GMT -5
Sounds like a bullshit excuse that makes no sense. Reality? You either like to suck dick or you don't. She doesn't. Prepare yourself and protect yourself and make a better future for yourself! That you can control! Your own reality!
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Post by seabr33z3 on Apr 30, 2017 19:40:14 GMT -5
What I see here is your wife's perception of sex as being merely perunctory. That is HER reality. She is not acknowledging YOUR reality of what sex is for you. To her your reality can't possibly be anything other than the stuff of movies. That's quite cold actually. Many people with a lower libido would at least acknowledge that it IS actually meaningful for the other person but not for them. I'm wondering does she generally lack empathy or just in this area?
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Post by greatcoastal on Apr 30, 2017 20:58:51 GMT -5
I am posting this in hopes that someone will tell me what i am missing. On prodding from me, my wife has now determined that she never (ever) wanted to be physically intimate with me because "all i had in my head was a fantasy world about sex, and it isn't real." And so she put up a wall because she doesn't want to be a part of something that isn't real. There was no additional explanation, although honestly i don't even know what this means. This is apparently just something she realized as of late. So, its not her problem. i posted in another thread that I felt it necessary to get some kind of explanation from her for the basis of 25+ years of sexlessness (even though i knew it isn't really meaningful at this point). But i don't know what to do with this at all. It's yet again, "this is all my fault." She is perfect and absolved from any responsibility. I know what my rational answer to this is, but i am not in a position to pull the trigger as yet. Well, i guess i got what i asked for - an explanation ... I am going to try and explain what this means, ( a lot of guessing and personal testimony here, so bare with me) She is accusing you of having a fantasy "porn" mind. It would not surprise me if she has a very low self image of her body. She very early on in your relationship found a "crutch" to lean on. Blaming you. Here's my testimony. See if any of this rings true for you. Age 14 I was given a stack of Playboy magazines by a neighbor. Not a good start. They got tossed when I was 17. I had a steady girlfriend for years. Sex came natural and often for us. The video player was at my disposal for 9 yrs of living single. Three yrs. of living/working on the road I limited my viewing down to a few single pictures. After the wedding came the disappointment. The DVD player filled my need. Much guilt/mingled with "what else can I do?" emotions. I recall a time almost 14 yrs ago when she accused me of "not looking directly at her " and that I was "fantasizing about some one else". Even if there was some truth to that, there was so much blame that could have easily come right back to her, The huge lack of showing any desire, but the guilt of the previous years took over. There will always be people in this world that take the verse "anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her in his heart has committed adultery with her in his heart" and twist it, manipulate it, take it way out of context, to try and use it to escape their own fallacies and short comings. My therapist asked me in private, "how much porn. do you look at ?" I explained that I had one DVD for years, a few minutes a few days a week. Enough to get the job done. Also that I had managed to go more than a year, several different intervals with nothing. He let me know" that is not an addiction, especially with what you have to deal with". (some in this world would call it an addiction, others would laugh about it) judge yourself! Your W's response sounds very well executed. Planned, and organized. A master of manipulation. Friend please think of it as a major tipping point. Use it to your advantage as another step towards freedom, in a healing process. The FOG is lifted and you are now able to spot "red flags". Don't let the fire define you. the fires of life produce character, that brings hope!! You have been trained and conditions to take and accept all blame. She will ALWAYS be asking the what ifs of bad things. YOU ,my friend, can start focusing on the what ifs of GOOD things that will happen! Who holds your future? Go and get to living! I would love to hear you tell me something new you did this week, for your self. YOU DESERVE IT!
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Post by csl on Apr 30, 2017 21:36:26 GMT -5
You got an excuse, not an explanation. If that thought hadn't occurred to her, another would have.
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