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Post by reinorchid on Mar 21, 2017 23:05:25 GMT -5
Hi, I married a man I knew for 3 years. We are both early 50s and 2nd marriage for each. We had sex 2-3 times a month which was not enough for me but tolerable. I like 3 to 4 times per week but was starting to feel guilty for needing that much and thought I was being unreasonable so settled as he was a good man in other ways. We talked, I should say I talked a lot with him about how to improve the sex and frequency without success. He always promised to work on it but really when I think back did nothing concrete.
Well, we married 2 years ago. The sex stopped after a quick, impersonal consummation from behind. There has been nothing since. I tried being more loving, talk it out to discover the issue, threaten him with taking a lover and finally raging at him. Last week he finally told me it was because sometime in our early relationship I asked him to take a shower once before sex because he smelled. Huh.
I am at the point now where I don't think I love him anymore and I asked him a few months ago to sleep in the other bedroom at night. Now he uses this as the reason for not being intimate. He has always blamed me. However it turns out his first marriage ended because he turned off the intimacy.
So, I guess I am having to look at the benefits to staying in the marriage and be celibate or choose to have an affair or I divorce him and accept losing the companionship and my house. I realize now I was stupid to marry him as there were enough signs beforehand to say no. I wish this were easier.
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Post by baza on Mar 21, 2017 23:35:43 GMT -5
Staying is as legitimate a choice as leaving or cheating Sister reinorchidBut lets have a look at your reasoning (companionship, money - and a dog that you mention elsewhere). Money - do you have a plan to become financially independent ? This is a very worthwhile aim irrespective of your marital status. And, have you checked out with a lawyer that you would actually lose the house ? Companionship - on what you have divulged, it doesn't really read like he is even much of a companion. The dog - *if* you elected to change your circumstances could the dog not go with you ? Again, staying is a perfectly valid choice to make, but is does no harm to check out the validity of these roadblocks you have mentioned to see if they truly are roadblocks, or manageable problems. Anyway, welcome to the ILIASM zoo. Hope you find some value amongst the stories and comments here.
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Post by reinorchid on Mar 21, 2017 23:54:34 GMT -5
I am employed in a well paying job and I brought the house into the marriage with me. The mortgage is refinanced so would be a struggle to make the payments on my own so the better option would be to sell it.
The dog. I feel guilty about the damn dog. I hate the idea of making him leave his big yard to go to some shitty little hole of a place. But I also know this is an excuse because I take him out in the bush all the time. Funny, I had no idea how much that was bothering me.
I do enjoy my husbands companionship out in the bush camping and fishing and watching TV etc. I am starting to think it may not be enough though because sometimes I feel like the lack of physical/emotional intimacy is making me hateful and crazy.
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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Mar 21, 2017 23:59:41 GMT -5
Do you happen to have any contact with his ex wife? If so, and if you guys are close enough, it may be worth asking her if he put any effort into restoring their intimate life before their divorce? or if he always did as he has done for you in the last 2 years of saying without acting. Not an easy thing to bring up, but I know my buddy's wife and exwife ended up as fiends
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Post by baza on Mar 22, 2017 0:05:44 GMT -5
Well, the risk you run in continued exposure to a dysfunctional marriage is the trashing of your self esteem, a decline in your mental (and possibly physical) health, ending up isolated from friends / family, and the disintegration of your personal happiness. None of these things *improve* in a dysfunctional situation. Rather, they tend to get worse.
I doubt that any of the things mentioned above are news to you. It looks like these things have already started for you.
There are plenty of people here who are going through (or have been through) what you are experiencing. You're among friends.
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Post by reinorchid on Mar 22, 2017 0:08:28 GMT -5
I have met her a couple times but she is not at all friendly toward me. During a couple of our intimacy talks with my husband it was clear that he had the same pattern in his first marriage and was perplexed as to why he did not want to have sex. But then in another talk he would blame her for his lack of interest. Apparently his wife came back to him one evening, before he and I met,and tried to have sex with him. She ended up walking out on him in the middle of it and did not return.
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Post by baza on Mar 22, 2017 0:20:25 GMT -5
reinorchidThere is not much to be gained by chasing "why" your husband is avoidant. Even if you fluked finding out the definitive "why", it wouldn't alter the facts on the ground one iota. He IS avoidant. And there is nothing you can do about that. It is not a matter that you have any control over at all - nor is it your responsibility. His issue(s) are his.
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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Mar 22, 2017 0:26:17 GMT -5
If nothing were to change, do you see yourself happy with him in ten years? Or happy with yourself?
Do you still talk about the future with him and get excited about his day/opinion/thoughts?!
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Post by worksforme2 on Mar 22, 2017 5:04:52 GMT -5
As I read this post the most significant statement to me is: "I don't think I love him any more". In my brief experience with romance, if one comes to experience that they are having to search or push the feeling of love for another person, then it is almost a certainty that that "loving feeling" is in fact gone. And once it's gone it pretty difficult to rekindle it. Maybe not impossible, but pretty rarely seen. This alone may not be the catalyst for ending things. There may be other dynamics in the relationship that make it worthwhile to continue. That's a judgement call for you. If there are significant reasons to stay, but your desire for intimacy is dominating your thoughts, then other approaches could be realistically considered. You mentioned threating him with "outsourcing". Instead of a threat(if you were serious)you might try actually discussing having an open marriage. Or if sex is actually unimportant to him, approach it from the perspective of "don't ask, don't tell" for you to have a FWB. Here again a judgement call for you. The stated reason for his lack of desire for intimacy with you sounds like so much BS to me. No one is that sensitive in real life. Laying off the blame on his X for previous sexual issues again sounds like so much BS to avoid his own role. How bad must the sex have been for his X to get up in the middle of things and walk out? Your story is akin to many here who marry thinking the issue of intimacy isn't all that important, until they find it's now a daily bridge that must be crossed. The red flags are all to obvious, but we choose to ignore them thinking things will change or get better once we're married. It almost never does.
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Post by bballgirl on Mar 22, 2017 7:51:18 GMT -5
Tell him you have a problem and celibacy is not an option for you. What is his solution? See how he responds.
Maybe try outsourcing. See if it fills the void.
For me I didn't like the sneaking around.
Also I fell out of love with my H.
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Post by shamwow on Mar 22, 2017 7:53:18 GMT -5
If nothing were to change, do you see yourself happy with him in ten years? Or happy with yourself? Do you still talk about the future with him and get excited about his day/opinion/thoughts?! I would ask the same question, but not use the time horizon of 10 years. I'd use another two years (the length of time the marriage has already gone). If you are in your early 50's ten years drastically increases the odds of one of you getting sick in some way shape or form. At that point, you will have a new reason not to leave...guilt over leaving a sick person. At least this has been discovered "early". Some of us have a couple decades of this crap under our belt. Just my two cents worth.
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Post by shamwow on Mar 22, 2017 8:00:35 GMT -5
As I read this post the most significant statement to me is: "I don't think I love him any more". In my brief experience with romance, if one comes to experience that they are having to search or push the feeling of love for another person, then it is almost a certainty that that "loving feeling" is in fact gone. And once it's gone it pretty difficult to rekindle it. Maybe not impossible, but pretty rarely seen. This alone may not be the catalyst for ending things. There may be other dynamics in the relationship that make it worthwhile to continue. That's a judgement call for you. If there are significant reasons to stay, but your desire for intimacy is dominating your thoughts, then other approaches could be realistically considered. You mentioned threating him with "outsourcing". Instead of a threat(if you were serious)you might try actually discussing having an open marriage. Or if sex is actually unimportant to him, approach it from the perspective of "don't ask, don't tell" for you to have a FWB. Here again a judgement call for you. The stated reason for his lack of desire for intimacy with you sounds like so much BS to me. No one is that sensitive in real life. Laying off the blame on his X for previous sexual issues again sounds like so much BS to avoid his own role. How bad must the sex have been for his X to get up in the middle of things and walk out? Your story is akin to many here who marry thinking the issue of intimacy isn't all that important, until they find it's now a daily bridge that must be crossed. The red flags are all to obvious, but we choose to ignore them thinking things will change or get better once we're married. It almost never does. Quite right. I can point to all sorts of "events" that contributed to my decision to call it quits. However, in the end, it all boiled down to me one day saying out loud to myself "I have no love for her anymore". Now at the time, I was angry and depressed. I will always have have SOME love for her. She is the mother of my children and I spent 23 years with her. We don't hate each other. But I have love for many people in my life. However, I am no longer "in love" with her, have no desire to attempt to rekindle it, and I believe the feeling is probably mutual. And that, as they say, is that. As baza says, I weighed my options. I can't stay, I don't want to cheat, so I had to ask for a divorce. But everyone's choice will be different. Now I am spending my efforts getting myself back in order rather than trying to fix humpty dumpty or figure out why it is broken. Altogether a healthier option regardless of which path is selected.
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Post by iceman on Mar 22, 2017 8:26:22 GMT -5
Hi, I married a man I knew for 3 years. We are both early 50s and 2nd marriage for each. We had sex 2-3 times a month which was not enough for me but tolerable. I like 3 to 4 times per week but was starting to feel guilty for needing that much and thought I was being unreasonable so settled as he was a good man in other ways. We talked, I should say I talked a lot with him about how to improve the sex and frequency without success. He always promised to work on it but really when I think back did nothing concrete. Well, we married 2 years ago. The sex stopped after a quick, impersonal consummation from behind. There has been nothing since. I tried being more loving, talk it out to discover the issue, threaten him with taking a lover and finally raging at him. Last week he finally told me it was because sometime in our early relationship I asked him to take a shower once before sex because he smelled. Huh. I am at the point now where I don't think I love him anymore and I asked him a few months ago to sleep in the other bedroom at night. Now he uses this as the reason for not being intimate. He has always blamed me. However it turns out his first marriage ended because he turned off the intimacy. So, I guess I am having to look at the benefits to staying in the marriage and be celibate or choose to have an affair or I divorce him and accept losing the companionship and my house. I realize now I was stupid to marry him as there were enough signs beforehand to say no. I wish this were easier. I'm sorry to say that it sounds like you two are just wired differently when it comes to sex. The 'why' doesn't matter at this point. It is just the way it is. It doesn't make one of you right or wrong, just different. He may have skirted around his attitudes toward sex and you admit that you ignores some red flags. It happens. It happened to me as well. I had all the signs too and I ignored them and married anyway. Everyday I think WTF was I thinking? This most likely isn't going to change. There may be periods when he makes more of an effort but he will most likely revert back to his true form. No sex is his true self and he will always fall back eventually. For him to do otherwise would be expecting him live a life that he is not comfortable with. It's the same for you. Living a life without sex would mean that you are living a life in way that is not acceptable to you. Your needs will never go away and you will risk all sorts of bad consequences, low self-esteem, depression, etc. For those of us that need sex to maintain that loving bond with our partners once the bond is broken it's really hard to get it back, if not impossible. The overriding question for you most likely is whether you're willing to accept this situation for the sake of finances, companionship, etc. It's a really tough question and I don't have an answer. Sorry. I wish I did. I'm very much in the same situation and I don't have an answer.
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Post by WindSister on Mar 22, 2017 8:44:22 GMT -5
You already got a lot of great advise. My only 2 cents to contribute is adding to the fact people don't change, not really, not unless they want to. And, his patterns/action points to him being perfectly comfortable with little to no sex. He has no real motivation to change at this point. Unfortunately it seems like a big mis-match in that department. Sometimes I think it's that they don't love us but in some cases it's truly just a mis-match. Higher libido with a lower libido. That's tough for both and adds stress to the relationship. It's one of those values that need to be similar in both partners, I think - or, at least be in the same ball field (because, truly I think matching 100% is impossible). I am sorry it is turning out this way for you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 9:53:00 GMT -5
I am employed in a well paying job and I brought the house into the marriage with me. The mortgage is refinanced so would be a struggle to make the payments on my own so the better option would be to sell it. The dog. I feel guilty about the damn dog. I hate the idea of making him leave his big yard to go to some shitty little hole of a place. But I also know this is an excuse because I take him out in the bush all the time. Funny, I had no idea how much that was bothering me. I do enjoy my husbands companionship out in the bush camping and fishing and watching TV etc. I am starting to think it may not be enough though because sometimes I feel like the lack of physical/emotional intimacy is making me hateful and crazy. Well, you can always refinance the house again to get the payments down. If you have a good job, I bet you can do it. That would also fix the issue with the dog. As to companionship, it is nice, but you can find another friend to hang out with. But a lack of sex will make any normal person hateful and crazy. I will never understand why anyone would want to deny sex to a spouse. It is just as much of a betrayal as adultery. BTW, welcome!
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