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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 19:23:38 GMT -5
Thank you, all of you, for your answers here. You all had good things to contribute. I look back at the relationship when it was at its worst - during the last year we were officially together. I remember always feeling both stressed out and depressed every weekend. And how it was a relief to stop seeing him every single weekend, when we stopped. How good it could feel in my own apartment - and I live by myself. And I remember the pain and tension that were always just beneath the surface when we were together. Both of us worrying about whether we would be forced to deal with the sex issue, and have yet another horrible conversation that would never end with either of us feeling good. And I remember that it wasn't "all is great bar the sex." GeekGoddess, your description of how your ex changed after he became ill was so much like my ex. And like you, I didn't expect him to be normal and healthy as if he was going to be 35 years old and healthy forever. People age and they get sick. I understood that. But what I didn't understand - and what cut me to the bone - was the way he shut me out emotionally. I guess, like your ex, he had to feel like he was "in control" of something. I don't think I'll ever understand why he closed the door in my face (metaphorically speaking.) No, that's not what I want in a relationship. And that's why I would not go back - unless I was *very* sure that he would be different. And I am not sure about that, at all. Ironically, he and I are getting along better - now that we don't see and talk to each other as often as we used to. Now that I no longer have even the slightest expectation of anything sexual occurring.
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Post by greatcoastal on Mar 18, 2017 9:19:55 GMT -5
"self sacrifice" doesn't leave much "self" does it?
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Post by McRoomMate on May 2, 2017 6:05:53 GMT -5
Oh yes it is a GRIEVING PROCESS. The "Marriage" is itself a living person or entity. The "Family" as a whole unit as well.
When Separation/Divorce comes it is the DEATH of this Marriage and Family as united unit. And yes, undeniably so, there is a grieving process.
Also is the Guilt even if it is the right thing to do. And Doubts - will come - and so it feels like really "Weathering a storm" and holding on until you get thru it.
I remember my first marriage - total disaster and I was miserable (not SM - actually) - there was no doubt in my heart before that I had to get out.
When I did it hurt so bad - because the Marriage/Family was breaking up. I grieved and got thru it.
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Post by tiffanyc on Jun 9, 2017 14:38:45 GMT -5
I don't believe you will have a broken heart forever Kat. Time heals, I honestly believe that.
When I was 15 I lost my father to cancer and I was sure it would hurt forever. True, it's not the same kind of hurt, but over time, (19 yrs this past January) it's been easier to think about him and not feel that pain.
I believe the same will happen when it come to your ex and your past situation. Just take things one day at a time.
We're here for you. 😘
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Post by northstarmom on Jun 10, 2017 10:40:55 GMT -5
Smartkat said:"That conclusion is: Even if you leave the SM, you will be forced to go through the grief and the pain and the heartbreak. My hypothesis is this: the more you loved your refuser, the better things were when they were still good - the worse the grief and pain and heartbreak are going to be. "
My own experience was different. NOTHING was worse than when I was at sea in a SM feeling suicidal every day and believing that something must be wrong with me for my spouse to be so rejecting. Adding to my feelings was the fact that my spouse in many ways was a model husband. He was a good provider, was polite and kind and a good father to our children. He wasn't verbally or physically abusive. Was a courteous person to travel with or to go to events with. What was missing was something that it was hard for me to identify because I'd grown up amidst in an acrimonious SM. But what was missing was not only sexual intimacy, but also emotional intimacy.
I lost a job that I would have happily worked until I died. It was in the same academic department that my husband (who had 2 masters degrees while I have an earned and honorary doctorate) had come in with guaranteed tenure (which means he had a lifetime job). I had gotten a national award while working there. He had not gotten any national acclaim. I was devastated by the job loss. I spent my days in bed, getting up only to drive one of our kids to school, and to eat dinner (which my husband prepared) A few months later, my mother suddenly died. My ex murmured sympathetic words, but never was able to fully understand the extent of my losses. Indeed, he asked me to accompany him to parties given by his academic department (i.e. my academic department). He said it would be good for me to go so they could see how well I was doing!
A couple of years later, I was still jobless (I could have fairly easily found work elsewhere, but chose to stay because of how much my husband loved his job), we learned that our older child, a young adult living 3,000 miles away, was on drugs. Despite clear evidence -- that son's detailed blog posts that I stumbled upon -- my husband denied the seriousness of what our child was into. I ended up going to the hospital thinking I was having a heart attack. The doctor correctly diagnosed severe depression, and that was what got me along the road to health, a good life, and ending my marriage.
But it did take intense therapy as well as lots of exploration as I got to know myself again, and developed the independence to make my own friends and pursue my own interests -- independently, without my husband's accompanying me. I went from being a woman who couldn't even decide what clothes to put on to a woman who was leading an interesting life on her own terms.
Finally, I woke up one day and realized that I'd rather be divorced than to continue a marriage that was no marriage. It ended up that my husband really wanted to be divorced, but hadn't had the guts to ask.
The divroce was very angst free. The angst, turmoil and sorrow had occurred long before, and had been healed.
So, my thoughts are that what will need to be done will be doing the very hard work of working on oneself to create a life that is independent of one's refuser. That is where the grieving and redefining oneself occurs. It can happen before the end of the relationship or it can happen afterward. It is indeed very hard work and it can be hard to tell one is making progress. From what I've seen, however, as long as one is focused on oneself and is also trying new things to expand one's understanding of oneself , one is making progress even if as is to be expected some of one's new endeavors don't' work out.
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