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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:06:53 GMT -5
I'm developing a conclusion - based strictly on my own experience.
That conclusion is: Even if you leave the SM, you will be forced to go through the grief and the pain and the heartbreak. My hypothesis is this: the more you loved your refuser, the better things were when they were still good - the worse the grief and pain and heartbreak are going to be.
I did zipcode therapy 2 years ago, and ended the situation one year ago - and I *still* feel terrible.
My life is pretty good - I have a good job, I like the town I live in. Some family health issues are improving. I'm even dating, and I guess successfully, since someone wants me.
But it still hurts to remember my ex didn't think our relationship was worth making more effort in the bedroom. That, right there, is a rejection that hurts as if he had left me (not the other way around.)
I still hurt over this. I'm still not over it. I'm still not convinced I'm that much better off without him. (Except I know that I don't want to go back to him - not the way things were. If I went back, he'd still keep a wall up between us - just like before.)
I'm beginning to wonder if I'm going to have a broken heart for the rest of my life.
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Post by tamara68 on Mar 9, 2017 18:12:33 GMT -5
I think the grieve and pain is not avoidable. Something to go through as you say. But I don't think a broken heart is for the rest of your life. New experiences will make the past fade away. The past will lose its weight when new people and experiences gain importance.
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Post by ballofconfusion on Mar 9, 2017 18:21:57 GMT -5
I haven't yet left - just initial agreement to divorce. However, I completely understand the pain of not being loved intimately by the one person who has promised to do just that. Making the choice to leave due to a somewhat "benign" neglect feels harder to do than it might otherwise. It might seem more of a relief (initially) to be leaving for other reasons as the relief would seem more immediate. On the surface, our situations seem a bit innocuous. This could not be further from the truth. When you dig (even a little) you quickly realize that you have not experienced something even remotely benign. Rather, it is something which will slowly kill your spirit. You are so courageous for choosing joy! It will come in time. It can't be better to feel unloved every day. It simply can't. I often wonder and worry if I will feel this way - as you describe - when I go. When the marriage is truly over. I think (hope) that without the "slap in the face" feeling each day from someone who should cherish me but, instead, treats me like a roommate, that I will "mostly" feel better. Now, if only I can manage to remember these words on my rough days.. Hang in there!!!
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Post by obobfla on Mar 9, 2017 19:51:44 GMT -5
When my wife first starting having delusional thoughts, I finally got her to a proper psychiatrist who diagnosed her as schizo-affective (Another psychiatrist diagnosed her as schizotypal, which was the totally wrong diagnosis). I was told that it could be treated, but there was no cure. I felt that someone had died, but we couldn't bury the body. It lay there in the living room like in a never-ending Irish wake. It's a common feeling for those who love the seriously mentally ill.
At the beginning of each NAMI support group, we go over the three steps of grief: denial, anger, and acceptance. Of course, some of us make it to the third stage to fall back to the first in a crisis. I am way beyond denial, but the anger and resentment have never gone away.
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Post by unmatched on Mar 9, 2017 20:06:54 GMT -5
@smartkat he did leave you, long before you ever left him. The fact that he was still physically present just made it horribly worse.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Mar 9, 2017 23:16:18 GMT -5
I call the situation: abandonment in situ. My Ex was still there, physically, but the humorous spirit I had fallen in love with .... he was gone. Some know-it-all asshole had bodysnatched his being. I don't know when it happened but I think it was inside the radiation unit while being further emasculated (first they took the prostate, then they zapped him daily for months, while suppressing all testosterone chemically - and because he wouldn't use the suction thingy, his tissue sucked up into his body to the point that he was incontinent for months. Control came back. But it was truly harrowing for him.) His body survives- but his personality completely changed. Describing it now, in detail, I realize how little I can blame him for the changes. What he could have done differently would have been to let me in on how he was feeling- emotionally- any thoughts or emotions were not shared. Control became his thing. It was his only coping strategy, I guess. But I was abandoned in situ, years before I left the house/marriage. I'm still mourning too. But it's better. One: it's better to not receive the fresh smack on my heart multiple times daily & every night when he would turn his back to me, careful that even our feet wouldn't touch. Two: it's better now than when I first moved out. And yay on successful dating! I got clarification last weekend that I'm not to be confused about New Guy. We are not GF/BF. (I didn't think we were - yet. We've only seen each other 2 or 3 weeks.) But - we hang out & sometimes do adult things & other times, just hang out. At first I was hurt by the explanation but as the last few days wore on, I'm totally okay with that. If I'm going to have a FWB, at least one who is only 2 miles away is a major upgrade from the one who was 120 miles away. @smartkat - I hope your grieving process keeps moving along for you. I think what we miss most is long-past. Like you say, it isn't actually available to go back TO. But we do have to have time to grieve it. Hugs, sister.
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Post by baza on Mar 10, 2017 2:53:41 GMT -5
If you were in an ILIASM shithole for 5 years, then (on the anecdotal evidence I've seen over 8 years) it will take you a year to get over the worst of it after you leave. 10 years in an ILIASM shithole will take you 2 to get over the worst of it. 15 will take you 3, and so on. There appears to be a one in five ratio in play - in my opinion and observations over 8 years. And, there are parts of your ILIASM shithole that you will probably never get over (but you WILL be able to manage that).
Anyway, more specifically to you Sister @smartkat. Do you think you are trying to get over the situation as it actually was ? Or do you think you are trying to get over what you wish it had been ? They are very different things. One is a concrete fact, one is an illusion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 12:57:11 GMT -5
baza, does that math apply to all the years we were together, or only the bad years? And - getting over what really was versus what I had wished it was. In my case, I started grieving over the end of the good years, while we were still together. My deal was a gradual decline over a period of about 5 years. You know - the "boiling frog" analogy. When things first start to go south, you think it's temporary - until one day you look up and say, "Whoa - things have been tough for longer than I thought!" I'm still working on accepting that there was nothing I could do (or refrain from doing) that would force him to do anything differently. I'm just starting to tentatively believe that maybe our problems were not all my fault.
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Post by bballgirl on Mar 10, 2017 14:10:53 GMT -5
@smartkat he did leave you, long before you ever left him. The fact that he was still physically present just made it horribly worse. Great point!
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Post by baza on Mar 10, 2017 23:44:44 GMT -5
baza , does that math apply to all the years we were together, or only the bad years? And - getting over what really was versus what I had wished it was. In my case, I started grieving over the end of the good years, while we were still together. My deal was a gradual decline over a period of about 5 years. You know - the "boiling frog" analogy. When things first start to go south, you think it's temporary - until one day you look up and say, "Whoa - things have been tough for longer than I thought!" I'm still working on accepting that there was nothing I could do (or refrain from doing) that would force him to do anything differently. I'm just starting to tentatively believe that maybe our problems were not all my fault. It would be a rare bird indeed where only one of the persons was "totally" at fault, or "completely not" at fault either. Dunno if this suggestion would help or not - but here it goes --- Write a full history of your deal, with all the warts (yours and his) fully out in the open. Give it to a person, someone you respect with no axe to grind, an independent person in other words and subject your story to objective analysis and opinion from this person. Maybe even a counsellor - who doesn't even know you - could provide an objective opinion, if you are into counselling. I suspect that such an exercise would result in a resounding affirmation that what fucked up in your deal was you (a bit) and him (a lot). FWIW, the impression I've had (from your stories over quite a few years) was that his prescription meds issue was far more severe than you ever thought. And there was NEVER any chance of *you* fixing that.
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Post by McRoomMate on Mar 11, 2017 6:21:38 GMT -5
@smartkat
Per my experience, there is ONE THING missing and this will come sooner or later and probably when and where you least expect.
YOU WILL FALL IN LOVE AGAIN - You will fall madly in love and he to you and it will be wonderful like you have never experienced and then you will be truly over what you suffer from now.
Maybe your heart has to mend first - it was 12 years between times of falling madly in love and I am in my late 40s now.
Sorry but I just do not believe in this 5-to-1 magic ratio. Everyone is different and everyone heals differently - there are an infinite number of variables in the equation on how fast you get over this and how soon or later you fall in love again. It will happen.
In the mean time, I tell you what I practice myself - I try to be the best person I can every day (far from perfection): Stay physically fit, stay a good member of society. Love and appreciate all the World has to offer, serve others as often as my egomaniac self will let me, and avoid toxic habits and people like the plague.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 10:05:27 GMT -5
I know what you mean SK. Sometimes, I catch myself getting frustrated that my refuser would not make the slightest effort to make things better. If she had done two things, I would have never left: 1) Had sex with me twice a month, and 2) Stopped the verbal abuse.
But the truth is she would do neither. Unfortunately, she did not value the relationship enough to do those two simple things. So when I catch myself regretting ending the "marriage," I remind myself that she made the decisions that made the relationship unsustainable. The boat had multiple leaks, and I could not plug them all myself. So when I jumped out and started swimming away, I was not leaving a seaworthy boat, I was just saving myself.
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Post by WindSister on Mar 16, 2017 12:04:42 GMT -5
You will heal. You will never be the same, but that's actually a good thing, I think. We break, we heal, we love and appreciate life and others (to include a new relationship) even more. It's a process that's not linear - you ebb and flow from grief to growth and back again. But you ARE healing little by little along the way. Even though it's divorce, not death, I think a lot of what Christina Rasmussen writes about in Second Firsts applies. She is so inspirational to me. Second Firsts
I highly recommend her "Message in a bottle" email sign up. I am sure you likely don't want cheesy "facebook" memes, but this one from her really resonated with me once upon a time. Just passing it on... it's how I feel now. Just SO appreciative of life and love that it all hurts a little in the heart (in a good way) because it's so intense. This week we welcomed a new grandbaby to the world. This once childless, loner of a woman who had more pictures of hiking trails on her Facebook account than people, now has a family that is growing and growing. Five years ago I was in grief, sadness, doubt, anger as I worked through the grief of a failed marriage and divorce. It gets better. For sure.
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Post by McRoomMate on Mar 16, 2017 14:05:04 GMT -5
I know what you mean SK. Sometimes, I catch myself getting frustrated that my refuser would not make the slightest effort to make things better. If she had done two things, I would have never left: 1) Had sex with me twice a month, and 2) Stopped the verbal abuse. But the truth is she would do neither. Unfortunately, she did not value the relationship enough to do those two simple things. So when I catch myself regretting ending the "marriage," I remind myself that she made the decisions that made the relationship unsustainable. The boat had multiple leaks, and I could not plug them all myself. So when I jumped out and started swimming away, I was not leaving a seaworthy boat, I was just saving myself. Very thought provoking to read. You proposition seems so simple even for someone who loathes sex. I mean in negotiation terms - you are being a real softie - easy to fulfill obligations. Thank-you for mentioning that because it provokes me to another level - if fixing the marriage from disintegration is SO EASY as your simple to fulfill 2 requirements, it really causes me to wonder if there was not an "intentional fail" like letting it lapse on purpose. I mention this because I look at my Current M and there is too this "intentional fail" scenario so it seems. It is a question of making a little effort - not much at all - and the lack of willingness for even this little micro simple effort is not even there - hence I would propose for sure in my case - just not performing almost symbolically something so simple - to let it end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 15:17:02 GMT -5
I know what you mean SK. Sometimes, I catch myself getting frustrated that my refuser would not make the slightest effort to make things better. If she had done two things, I would have never left: 1) Had sex with me twice a month, and 2) Stopped the verbal abuse. But the truth is she would do neither. Unfortunately, she did not value the relationship enough to do those two simple things. So when I catch myself regretting ending the "marriage," I remind myself that she made the decisions that made the relationship unsustainable. The boat had multiple leaks, and I could not plug them all myself. So when I jumped out and started swimming away, I was not leaving a seaworthy boat, I was just saving myself. Very thought provoking to read. You proposition seems so simple even for someone who loathes sex. I mean in negotiation terms - you are being a real softie - easy to fulfill obligations. Thank-you for mentioning that because it provokes me to another level - if fixing the marriage from disintegration is SO EASY as your simple to fulfill 2 requirements, it really causes me to wonder if there was not an "intentional fail" like letting it lapse on purpose. I mention this because I look at my Current M and there is too this "intentional fail" scenario so it seems. It is a question of making a little effort - not much at all - and the lack of willingness for even this little micro simple effort is not even there - hence I would propose for sure in my case - just not performing almost symbolically something so simple - to let it end. Thank you. I actually did not even ask that much closer before I left. Instead I just wanted her to go to a gynecologist to see what her problem was that made sex uncomfortable. She refused to make an appointment.
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