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Post by Dan on Feb 18, 2017 22:40:57 GMT -5
I don't much post in the "Post SM" board... because I'm not. Heck, I hardly think to read posts over here. But I did dip my toe in a the Post-SM world just a bit this week. I decided to attend a "meetup" group (see Meetup.com) focusing on post-divorce peer support. Unlike a lot of divorcee-oriented groups, this one does NOT seem focused on "let's go out to bars and drink and dance and carouse and do karaoke". Don't get me wrong, sounds like fun... sometimes. But there has to be more to a post-divorce life than socializing in a bar, right? It was a very nice gathering: just chatting over coffee. About eight regular members were there that night; they say it is sometimes as much as twenty. Most folks in their fifties (like me) with a few kids in their twenties (like me). It was a mix of women and men; it was a mix of people who initiated their divorce or whose spouses did. But everyone of them were very genuine and easy to talk to. And they had NO HESITATION asking me very direct questions about my marriage and why I was there (if still married). I liked that. Many identified sexlessness had set in to their marriage before the divorce, however none seemed to say it was the CAUSE of the divorce, per se. (It seemed that other incompatibilities lead to sexlessness and divorce, in most cases.) It was helpful to peek behind the veil of divorce. What I saw was that the folks look like normal folks, just trying to get by, with a combination of successes and struggles still in their lives. It shouldn't have been a surprise... so I guess it wasn't. But -- somehow -- it was oddly reassuring. I'll probably attend again... maybe even regularly.
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Post by baza on Feb 19, 2017 2:03:00 GMT -5
Sounds like it could be a valued addition to your support network Brother Dan.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Feb 19, 2017 12:11:36 GMT -5
This is great, Dan - I'm so glad you went! On Meetup, I found a local program that a friend had told me about and it is "like a 12-step program" for divorce support. It is hosted at a church (but it is open to all public). When seeking that group & signing up for it, I also found the 40's & 50's Singles group. They are more about going out to a movie with drinks before or after or other nights, dinner before (restaurants named that are not so bar or brewery - so I may end up trying out on of the non-bar events sooner or later). There IS life after divorce - even if or when there are children, even ones with special or ongoing needs, even when the spouses battle - it CAN be gotten through. Good luck my friend - this group definitely sounds like an asset in Exit Planning.
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Post by nancyb on Feb 20, 2017 8:00:08 GMT -5
Good for you Dan. Always good to expand your social network.
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Post by WindSister on Feb 20, 2017 9:18:26 GMT -5
I am a HUGE fan of Meetup! Man, did I ever hurl myself out of my comfort zone with Meetup groups. I didn't attend any "post divorce" ones but that's because not having kids, I just didn't have the same issues as other divorcees. I also wanted to focus on building the life I dreamed of so I joined groups where I could do the things I love (go dancing, go to lectures, hike, kayak, etc.). I was active in a lot of the outdoor ones - went kayaking with great groups of people and made lifelong friends I still stay in touch with now. My favorite Meetup events were the ones I hosted even though I was scared to death to do it. I did some Photography hikes at sunset and sunrise. No one else did it, I thought it would be fun so I planned them. There were usually 10-15 of us on those hikes even at 5 am. Looking back that may have been risky but really only genuinely good and awesome people ever joined up. I got great pictures and tips from actual pros. I also ran a Woman's Retreat for 12 women up in my home area (four hours away from the metro area) for a five day weekend and had a blast sharing a cabin in January with these women, cross country skiing, snow-shoeing and talking around the fire with wine. I was nervous about that one because what if "pain in the ass" women joined up? But actually I met my best friend on that trip and the others were great, too. That was just after I left my ex-husband. I was able to talk so openly with them all and found out we all had a lot in common. The last one I hosted was the most fun -- it was a book club meetup based on the book "Naked Dating" - I ran it for 5 weeks in January at a venue that was close to live music on Thursday nights afterwards. I thought maybe 7 women would join or something but the RSVPs kept POURING in so I had to find a bigger venue. That first night there were 70 men and women there! OMG. I had to speak in front of everyone! lol I was a mess, but it worked. I set up tables of 10 and named each table after a type of thong (it goes with the book... bare yourself, love yourself even in your thongs... lol). So we had the "Lacy Thongs" table, Leopard Print Thongs table, etc. I had premade conversation cards based on the book for each table and everyone went around talking about the topics, questions, sharing. Then afterwards most people all went out dancing up the street. It wasn't meant to be a singles hook-up but many did hook up. I did not, but I had a BLAST. We kept the membership around 45-55 the remainder of the event so it was a positive thing. I received a standing ovation at the end of it - I was so embarrassed. But what I learned from that is both men and women LIKE to share and open up and learn from each other. One man in particular touched me so much. His wife of 30 years had died a year ago and he was just dipping his toes in the dating world, terrified. But talking with the women at this event enlightened him and gave him hope to just go out there have some fun. He got tears in his eyes as he thanked me. Ooof. He was just such a sweet older guy and I am sure it took courage for him to come to the event, I am glad it was a positive thing for him. Anyway, sorry -- just had to share that I think it's a GREAT idea to get involved in Meetup groups. As always, one attracts what one sends out (I truly believe that) so expect to make some good connections, be genuine and have fun!! I also am a HUGE advocate for focusing on the life you DO want. So while there is genuine good reason to discuss divorce, etc., there's also something to be said to finding what you LOVE and going out and doing that as well. I have been to many AA meetings with clients and I can't say I am personally a big fan of such a form of therapy/recovery. I think they do better when they find purpose, joy, passion to replace the booze and that doesn't come by just talking about their issues. (again, not saying we shouldn't talk about issues, but it's more helpful to also pair that with taking positive action). Live your way to the life you want. Be the person who lives the life you dream now, even if you aren't "there" yet. It will happen.
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Post by GeekGoddess on Feb 20, 2017 13:15:29 GMT -5
In my meetings (just to be a little "defensive" - but I'm not trying to be, really just trying to explain) - we emphasize living in the solution, not in the problem. Members are taught (eventually) to take their problems to their sponsors (one on one, not at the meeting itslef) and to bring their solutions to the meetings. Since no one is "in charge of AA" that happens in an organic way and people coming in at first don't know this guidance and others, no matter how long they've attended, sometimes don't hold onto or follow it anyway. I love, love, love this nugget: Live your way to the life you want. YES! That. That is exactly what I'm trying for. And - I gotta get that book, I think!
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Post by WindSister on Feb 20, 2017 14:31:07 GMT -5
In my meetings (just to be a little "defensive" - but I'm not trying to be, really just trying to explain) - we emphasize living in the solution, not in the problem. Members are taught (eventually) to take their problems to their sponsors (one on one, not at the meeting itslef) and to bring their solutions to the meetings. Since no one is "in charge of AA" that happens in an organic way and people coming in at first don't know this guidance and others, no matter how long they've attended, sometimes don't hold onto or follow it anyway. I love, love, love this nugget: Live your way to the life you want. YES! That. That is exactly what I'm trying for. And - I gotta get that book, I think! Sorry I was judgmental of AA. To be fair, I think my poor clients landed in very "dry" (um, that doesn't seem PC to say) meetings where I think a lot of the "life" of what AA should be could have been missing from. Also, finding that kind of help for those with profound and persistent mental illnesses and/or disabilities is even more challenging. They likely did not get the full benefit from these meetings because most didn't know how (and were unwilling) to connect with them. We are still seeking other avenues but I have found for them, specifically, just helping them find purpose, meaning, hobbies, activities, healthy friendships (the most challenging for them) is key. I am glad your meetings follow an empowering path. I have found some people "get" the saying "Live your way to the life want" and others scratch their heads and say, "uh.. okay." I really believe it's empowering to get it.
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Post by Copernicus on Feb 24, 2017 15:35:06 GMT -5
Dan
I'm in a similar position to you and you have just inspired me! Thank you so much!
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Post by Dan on Apr 7, 2017 16:15:45 GMT -5
Update:
I've attended my third of these "divorce support" meetup meetings. The group I'm attending is just right: folks just get together and gab; about 50% "friend stuff" (many of the folks there have been going and know each other for months or longer), and about 50% divorce relevant topics. I'm feeling welcomed; folks are starting to remember my name and some of my details.
Last night I learned of another group -- "Transitions" -- which sounds much more "ansgty" (less easygoing); sounds like is was run more like "group therapy", and sometimes yelling or crying ensue. Still, I might get something out of it, and may go someday.
Also discussed were: dating etiquette, next weekend's local movie festival, and a new restaurant.
Interestingly there is about an even mix of folks who initiated the divorce and who were on the receiving end. I guess I figured it would be dominated by divorce initiators; it is interesting for me to ponder why I thought that.
I've been clear that I'm not even "divorcing" yet; I'm pleasantly surprised that no one is ruffled by me being there. Furthermore, I guess I thought that anyone who was on the "receiving end" of a divorce (especially women) would default to "mad at me" for being a MAN who is INITIATING the divorce. But -- so far -- no one really seems to care about that. THAT is a good lesson for me... somehow I figure I was going to bear a "Scarlet D" -- for "Divorcer" -- once back out on the social scene. Seems like all that is of no consequence: everyone just wants to have friends and maybe meet someone.
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