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Post by irishjohn on Jan 2, 2017 16:10:51 GMT -5
Hi folks.. Irish guy here. Married 14 years and only had sex 3 times since 2009, last time was Nov 2014. Basically I've kinda given up on trying to initiate any intimacy as 100's of rejections do take a personal toll on the soul. What Ive noticed though is that when we have really been getting on well and she appears happy, she has a sixth sense that I may suggest or try some intimacy and she will start a fight about something silly that sucker punches me so to stop me in my tracks. I even asked her this evening about us trying to rekindle some intimacy for 2017 but have yet to get a reply. I asked by text as I know that if I asked face to face, she would have picked a fight about something. We haven't spent the night in the same bed since October 2008 and that only happened because we were on a cruise and there was only the one bed. It's not just the sex, it's the hugs, the cuddles on the couch, the apprehension of what may happen after we leave the restaurant. Without the intimacy and the feelings of rejection, I sort of put up walls as a form of self protection and she will then idiotically ask why I'm so quiet... unbelievable. I've suggested marriage guidance... no way was she doing that. She once said that she had no sex drive but nosy me has spotted 3 sex lube tubes in her bedside locker and each time I take a peek, they are always in different positions since the last time I checked. I feel unable to confront her about it as I shouldn't really by snooping in her room but I am paranoid about what's going on with her.
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Post by lyn on Jan 2, 2017 16:41:26 GMT -5
Hi irishjohn and welcome to the club😉 I think the more you read and post on here, the more you will realize that we are all, pretty much in the same boat. This realization can be liberating, it can also be heartbreaking. Of course you are feeling resentful - a person can only take so much rejection from the one person that is supposed to give us love, affection, intimacy, etc. It might be worth speaking to her about the situation in-person. It will be uncomfortable - she will probably get angry. Don't be afraid of her anger, be ready for it. Why should her feelings be protected? Your feelings have been on display for years...... actively ignored no less. Walking on egg shells sucks - I know, I've done this for years and am actively working on my own communication skills (among other things). Being direct, dealing with the fallout of the conversation in a rational manner will give you strength and maybe some dignity. If you can keep it calm..... maybe she will follow your lead..... maybe she won't, but this is a conversation that warrants a face-to-face, imho. As a bonus, you're not stuck waiting for her to decide if/when/how she is going to respond to your text.
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Post by irishjohn on Jan 2, 2017 16:51:58 GMT -5
Thank you. I've backed down in the past as the face to face discussions always led to her just walking away but short of tying her to a chair, I don't know how else I can get her to discuss things. Separation or divorce not really an option as I'd never leave my 6 year old daughter. I'm almost at the point of joining a dating/ sex site to look for someone in a similar situation
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Post by baza on Jan 2, 2017 16:54:46 GMT -5
"Pick a fight" is a very common tactic employed by avoidant spouses. It comes under the heading of "pre-emptive" refusal, and operates on the principal of shooting down any possibility of having a root BEFORE any request is actually even made.
An oldie, but a goody in the avoidant spouses bag of tricks.
And, it works well on an ongoing basis. As you say yourself, you - "put up walls as a form of self protection" - which is the exact intent of the whole game. She has educated you not to even ask.
Are you up for doing anything about the situation ? How far are you prepared to push it ?
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Post by irishjohn on Jan 2, 2017 17:18:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the message. I'm not sure yet on how far I'm prepared to push it for now but I know it will be very soon. I have this Thursday and Friday off work so I think Wednesday eve after my daughter goes to sleep, I'm going to ask straight out if there's a chance of our relationship ever becoming intimate again. My response depends on hers but I'm letting her know that celibacy for me is not an option.
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Post by bballgirl on Jan 2, 2017 17:19:30 GMT -5
Thank you. I've backed down in the past as the face to face discussions always led to her just walking away but short of tying her to a chair, I don't know how else I can get her to discuss things. Separation or divorce not really an option as I'd never leave my 6 year old daughter. I'm almost at the point of joining a dating/ sex site to look for someone in a similar situation I joined a site and found a man in a SM. Sex was incredible, it's amazing what it's like and the effect it has on you when you feel wanted and desired. Originally I planned to stay and cheat but my marriage was not normal and I wasn't going to sacrifice my life for my kids. We divorced, we co parent, we are friends and it's working. I know there's no cookie cutter solution and everyone's situation is different but sometimes the things we think are not possible are. I don't get to see my kids everyday but I know they are safe and with their dad who loves them. The fact that you texted her and she didn't answer is very telling and pretty typical of refusers - they are avoidant. I recommend (since you are still willing to have sex with her and I promise the day will come that the resentment will grow so much that you won't) SO... I would call her out get in her face, she may try to start an argument but tell her you will engage in her argument after you say your peace. Tell her that at this moment in time you want 2017 to be about intimacy. That the marriage is not normal, sleeping in separate bedrooms is not acceptable and you need sex twice a week. Tell her that you want sex with her but if things don't get better then the day will come when you won't love her romantically and you will no longer want sex with her, and that day is not too far away. Ask her what her solution to your problem is? Honestly I suspect she will tell you to do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't include her pussy. In my opinion which means absolutely nothing but I'm going to tell you straight up. Your marriage is a total shithole it's not even a marriage. You have nothing to lose by laying your cards on the table so what if she argues, man up! Tell her your marriage is in crisis and if she doesn't go for some major counseling and learn to love your dick then there are no guarantees and she's entitled to make that choice but at least you know where you stand. Honestly she will never sexually satisfy you. Have your argument then find your happiness with a different pussy! Sorry for my language I'm in a mood.
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Post by baza on Jan 2, 2017 17:45:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the message. I'm not sure yet on how far I'm prepared to push it for now but I know it will be very soon. I have this Thursday and Friday off work so I think Wednesday eve after my daughter goes to sleep, I'm going to ask straight out if there's a chance of our relationship ever becoming intimate again. My response depends on hers but I'm letting her know that celibacy for me is not an option. Ok. A word of caution. Don't say anything that you are not prepared to deliver on. Essentially, if you are NOT prepared to go all the way and leave her, then do NOT try a bullshit / bluff approach. That is a sure fire way to shred your cred.
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Post by irishjohn on Jan 2, 2017 18:19:20 GMT -5
Well as I said before, I'm not leaving but I'm prepared to develop a sexual relationship outside of my marriage and I'm telling her that. She can go fuck herself as she is obviously doing due to the tubes of sex lubricant I found in her bedside locker
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Post by baza on Jan 2, 2017 18:25:08 GMT -5
There is a high probability that if you cheat, you'll get caught, and that would give a high probability that your missus might choose to divorce you. So if you are considering cheating, then by default you are also considering divorce - at the hand of your volcanically angry spouse.
Suggestion See a lawyer in your jurisdiction and establish how a divorce would shake out for you. At the very least, you'll be able to rationally think through that scenario, and establish what the cost / benefit sums look like, and make an objective choice about this option.
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Post by bballgirl on Jan 2, 2017 18:27:38 GMT -5
Well as I said before, I'm not leaving but I'm prepared to develop a sexual relationship outside of my marriage and I'm telling her that. She can go fuck herself as she is obviously doing due to the tubes of sex lubricant I found in her bedside locker Also know the legal repurcussions in your state for having an affair. Don't ever have an affair with anyone in Mississippi because their spouse can sue you. Hopefully you aren't in Mississippi! Just do your homework before you jump into anything. She obviously has sexuality about her she just doesn't want to share it with you. So lay your cards on the table give her one more chance to have sex and let her know she better make it good! Then if she's not receptive you should not be expected to be celibate.
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Post by irishjohn on Jan 2, 2017 18:30:08 GMT -5
I honestly don't think she would give a shit about me cheating. Many times I've got up during the night and went off driving until morning. She has been up when I've walked through the door after the drive and never asked me where I've been.
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Post by beachguy on Jan 2, 2017 18:54:13 GMT -5
Please don't forget that as long as you accept things as they are, you are complicit.
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Post by wom360 on Jan 2, 2017 19:39:18 GMT -5
Please don't forget that as long as you accept things as they are, you are complicit. We have a saying in mountaineering: you can agree or you can disagree, but if you stay tied to the rope, you agree.
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Post by csl on Jan 2, 2017 22:24:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the message. I'm not sure yet on how far I'm prepared to push it for now but I know it will be very soon. I have this Thursday and Friday off work so I think Wednesday eve after my daughter goes to sleep, I'm going to ask straight out if there's a chance of our relationship ever becoming intimate again. My response depends on hers but I'm letting her know that celibacy for me is not an option. That last line... "not an option"...... Be sure you mean it, and have a way to make it happen. The reason I say this is because I know of a few guys who have given ultimatums, only to back down. One guy I know told his wife that after their youngest graduated highschool in 2 years, he would leave if there were no changes. He came back and told the forum, "Well, I got used to it." Another guy told his wife that celibacy was not an option, and when she threw a full meltdown hissy in the kitchen, including crying and screaming on the floor, he backed down. Nothing changed. If you're going to say it, mean it, or you seal your SM.
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Post by DryCreek on Jan 3, 2017 0:12:47 GMT -5
Well as I said before, I'm not leaving but I'm prepared to develop a sexual relationship outside of my marriage and I'm telling her that. She can go fuck herself as she is obviously doing due to the tubes of sex lubricant I found in her bedside locker What do you gain by staying if it's that bad? You only dig the hole deeper for yourself financially, with the likelihood that *she* will divorce you anyway on her own terms. You place yourself at a disadvantage by staying, with seemingly none of the benefits, and potentially added hostility.
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