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Post by bballgirl on Nov 29, 2016 14:44:02 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing this. I plan to study it more to learn more about myself. I agree with you that people can be a mix with Myers Briggs. I saw that too that the 9's and 2's are very self sacrificing, getting a divorce and having shared custody has allowed me to focus on myself this past year when my kids are with their dad and to not feel guilty about it either. I can honestly say that this past year has been one of the happiest for me overall. Also the self sacrificing mentality I think keeps us in a bad marriage. I think a lot of us have similar aspects to our personalities. It will be interesting to see how many 2's and 9's there are. You're welcome! In case you're interested, the book I'm reading is called "The road back to you, An enneagram journey to self-discovery" by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabil. It's a pretty easy read so far. I highly recommend it! It has a slight religious slant to it, which almost caused me to not buy it, but I'm glad I didn't allow that to stop me. It's very much about enneagram and only adds a religious perspective on rare occasion. The really great part about the book is that is shows both the good and bad parts of having each enneagram. It can be a bit painful to read if some of the more negative aspects of a given type are news to you. Lucky for me, all the negatives of 9's and 2's that I posess are regular points of conversation in my therapy sessions and have been for quite a long time. So, I've been through the wringer already in regards to these things. So, for example, when the author pointed out that 9's are very much conflict avoidant, I just kind of smirked to myself and said "guilty as charged!". lol. My sensitive self would have taken things like that as very harsh criticism about 2 years ago but now that I have accepted a lot of these less-than-stellar parts of myself as a "work in progress", it doesn't bother me as much. The author really shed some light on the REASONS I have these negative aspects though. That has helped a ton in giving me some clarity. The book has given me an inkling as to WHY I am conflict avoidant. I plan to bring my "ah-ha" moments from the book to my therapist the next time I see her. The book is interesting too because it doesn't attempt to change you into a different type. It just helps you become the most well balance version of that type that you can be. It helps you pinpoint your weaknesses so you can work on them while pointing out your strengths in the process. But anyway, I got on a bit of a tangent. I agree with you about wondering how many 9's and 2's we'll see in the poll. I personally expect to see a lot. That's great that you have been able to focus on yourself. It's so important for those of us that tend to spend way too much time focusing on making everyone else happy while neglecting our own needs. I think we're magnets for needy / selfish people. My hope is that learning how to find a way to keep relationships more balanced will repulse people like that in the future. The most painful part is realizing that I do it to myself by inviting and accepting mistreatment (in my case as a 9, in order to keep the peace at any cost). I'm going to buy the book tomorrow, you sold me! Lol I was a true 9 and maybe I still am but I have recognized those changes in myself while I took the quiz so that now I'm more of a 2. I agree with you about being a magnet for selfish takers, to the point that now I have some trust issues, some walls up but I'm self aware and with the right man I know I can lower the walls. I guess I keep my expectations low hence zero disappointment. Yes 9's do it to themselves and only WE can stop allowing it to happen to us. Thanks for the book details. |
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Post by Chatter Fox on Nov 29, 2016 15:03:52 GMT -5
You're welcome! In case you're interested, the book I'm reading is called "The road back to you, An enneagram journey to self-discovery" by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabil. It's a pretty easy read so far. I highly recommend it! It has a slight religious slant to it, which almost caused me to not buy it, but I'm glad I didn't allow that to stop me. It's very much about enneagram and only adds a religious perspective on rare occasion. The really great part about the book is that is shows both the good and bad parts of having each enneagram. It can be a bit painful to read if some of the more negative aspects of a given type are news to you. Lucky for me, all the negatives of 9's and 2's that I posess are regular points of conversation in my therapy sessions and have been for quite a long time. So, I've been through the wringer already in regards to these things. So, for example, when the author pointed out that 9's are very much conflict avoidant, I just kind of smirked to myself and said "guilty as charged!". lol. My sensitive self would have taken things like that as very harsh criticism about 2 years ago but now that I have accepted a lot of these less-than-stellar parts of myself as a "work in progress", it doesn't bother me as much. The author really shed some light on the REASONS I have these negative aspects though. That has helped a ton in giving me some clarity. The book has given me an inkling as to WHY I am conflict avoidant. I plan to bring my "ah-ha" moments from the book to my therapist the next time I see her. The book is interesting too because it doesn't attempt to change you into a different type. It just helps you become the most well balance version of that type that you can be. It helps you pinpoint your weaknesses so you can work on them while pointing out your strengths in the process. But anyway, I got on a bit of a tangent. I agree with you about wondering how many 9's and 2's we'll see in the poll. I personally expect to see a lot. That's great that you have been able to focus on yourself. It's so important for those of us that tend to spend way too much time focusing on making everyone else happy while neglecting our own needs. I think we're magnets for needy / selfish people. My hope is that learning how to find a way to keep relationships more balanced will repulse people like that in the future. The most painful part is realizing that I do it to myself by inviting and accepting mistreatment (in my case as a 9, in order to keep the peace at any cost). I'm going to buy the book tomorrow, you sold me! Lol I was a true 9 and maybe I still am but I have recognized those changes in myself while I took the quiz so that now I'm more of a 2. I agree with you about being a magnet for selfish takers, to the point that now I have some trust issues, some walls up but I'm self aware and with the right man I know I can lower the walls. I guess I keep my expectations low hence zero disappointment. Yes 9's do it to themselves and only WE can stop allowing it to happen to us. Thanks for the book details. Oh awesome! I should ask the author to pay me a cut of the sale. lol.  No, but seriously, I hope you end up liking it now that I talked it up so much.  I'll be really curious to hear your thoughts on this stuff after reading it since we appear to have some similarities. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 15:30:01 GMT -5
2w9 Almost an equal score! Lord help me!
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Post by petrushka on Nov 29, 2016 15:48:49 GMT -5
Pseudo science, just like Meyer Briggs.
The 'woo factor' is that they write them so [almost] everybody can read
whatever result and go "yeah, that's right".
Like the stage magician or the soothsayer/clearvoyant in the black
tent at the village fair.
Have fun with it if you want, but ... I'd set as much store by it as
fortune cookies.
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Post by Chatter Fox on Nov 29, 2016 16:01:57 GMT -5
Pseudo science, just like Meyer Briggs. The 'woo factor' is that they write them so [almost] everybody can read whatever result and go "yeah, that's right". Like the stage magician or the soothsayer/clearvoyant in the black tent at the village fair. Have fun with it if you want, but ... I'd set as much store by it as fortune cookies. Have you actually read much about the different types? I have to disagree completely with you. It may be psuedo-science. That part I won't deny, but I've been reading about these in depth and I can honestly say that many of the types are nowhere near describing me. Not ...at ...all. I can see many different people I know in these descriptions. The one that fit me? It fit like a glove. It just utterly nailed me. The rest have only a couple of things that I feel I can personally relate to. It's far from being a mere magic trick if you ask me. It may not be perfect or scientifically proven, but I personally find that it has a ton of value. |
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Post by bballgirl on Nov 29, 2016 16:33:26 GMT -5
I think I'm probably naturally a 9 but I have to make a
conscious effort to be a 2 so when I was answering the questions I answered them how I make an effort to be now. I still haven't responded to the text from earlier today Uggh! Avoidance! See that's a 9
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Post by greatcoastal on Nov 29, 2016 16:33:39 GMT -5
So I am a 2w1 a helper with reformer on the wing. Not surprised. My spiritual gifts have been mercy and service.
All those years of being a helper, and having so little appreciation for it.
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Post by Lithium92 on Nov 29, 2016 16:54:53 GMT -5
It's called the Barnum Effect or the Forer Effect. Give bits of ambiguous information and people read what they want into it. It's the basis of cold reading, as used by fake psychics. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect |
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Post by thefullmoon on Nov 29, 2016 19:32:31 GMT -5
9w8
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Post by baza on Nov 29, 2016 22:50:10 GMT -5
I reckon if this "enneagram" stuff provokes you in to taking a fearless inventory of "why" you got in to an ILIASM shithole, and "why" you stay in it, then it is a worthwhile thing.
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Pursuing ones own "why" is a really sound policy, as you can do something about your "why" - unlike someone else's "why".
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Post by DryCreek on Nov 29, 2016 22:57:45 GMT -5
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Post by eternaloptimism on Nov 30, 2016 0:59:46 GMT -5
FFS. Why can't I have a normal result.  I hereby label myself "confused" I'll take that! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 17:54:18 GMT -5
Me too. You kids can say what you want about woos, but this was dead-on-balls accurate: Fives are sensitive; they don't feel adequately defended against the world. To compensate for their sensitivity, Fives sometimes adopt an attitude of careless indifference or intellectual arrogance, which has the unfortunate consequence of creating distance between themselves and others. See that? There's my problem. |
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Post by adventura on Nov 30, 2016 19:18:00 GMT -5
I think of the Enneagram as a convenient language for learning more about myself and discussing personality traits with a friend or partner, not as something that determines my destiny. It's no more woo than speaking French.
Me: a freaking 8, straight up. The assholes of the Enneagram, aggressive control freak. Also the leader, the risk taker, and the person who keeps it together when everybody else is falling apart.
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Post by dancingbear70 on Nov 30, 2016 19:20:01 GMT -5
I'm a sucker for tests!
5w4
They said this type misidentifies as a 4. And frankly 4 sounds more accurate to me. Does that make the test dead on? Hmmm...
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No, but seriously, I hope you end up liking it now that I talked it up so much. 
I'll be really curious to hear your thoughts on this stuff after reading it since we appear to have some similarities. 
