Mia
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Post by Mia on Oct 3, 2016 16:38:10 GMT -5
Hi, my name is Mia. I'm new to this site and have never participated in any forum or blog before. I was just sitting at my computer thinking, could Google find me a site to answer this question...can a marriage survive without sex? I have been married over 32 years to the same man, have 2 grown children. Most of the marriage life has been good but sex was never the common factor of joy. I can say that our relationship is more of that of friends, roommates with family history, children and the commitment for better or worse. I'm not totally unhappy but I am not sure how to sustain us through the next part of our lives. Can a marriage continue on this path? Of course there is more to the picture here and therapy was no help. I have lost that intimate self, at least hidden it. Now I ask myself (or tell myself) it's ok to live a sexless life but I know thats not healthy. My husband's idea of intimacy and mine have never been the same. I think, gentleness, kissing, listening and communication is a common threat that women desire. My husband is, passive with his communication, blames others, verbally not nice and has problems with closeness especially when it involves his family. He is amazing in his world as a salesman, event planner but thats because he doesn't have to get too close. Oh yea, but out 6 lb toy poodle gets tons of affection! She is a safe and only gives affection back Now, how do I sustain this friendship (marriage) without benefits?
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Post by baza on Oct 3, 2016 17:08:07 GMT -5
"Can a marriage continue on this path?" - you ask. - The answer to that is an unequivocal "yes". - Indeed, if he keeps doing what he has previously done, and you keep doing what you have previously done, you are all but guaranteed that the marriage will continue on, just as it has previously done. - The only way your deal is going to alter its' trajectory is if one of you has a radical change of approach. - Your story reads like he is perfectly ok with how things are, so any change is highly unlikely to come from him. - That leaves YOU as the only probable agent of change. - What are you prepared to do ? Are you open to the concept of putting the marriage squarely on the line, up to and including being ready to end it, if you cannot negotiate an acceptable compromise ? - That's how serious you have to be if you are going to resolve this, one way or another.
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Post by becca on Oct 3, 2016 18:50:07 GMT -5
"Can a marriage continue on this path?" - you ask. - The answer to that is an unequivocal "yes". - Indeed, if he keeps doing what he has previously done, and you keep doing what you have previously done, you are all but guaranteed that the marriage will continue on, just as it has previously done. - The only way your deal is going to alter its' trajectory is if one of you has a radical change of approach. - Your story reads like he is perfectly ok with how things are, so any change is highly unlikely to come from him. - That leaves YOU as the only probable agent of change. - What are you prepared to do ? Are you open to the concept of putting the marriage squarely on the line, up to and including being ready to end it, if you cannot negotiate an acceptable compromise ? - That's how serious you have to be if you are going to resolve this, one way or another. I need to print some of your stuff out and put it on my fridge. I have such an inclination in the other direction (2nd,3rd, 10th chances, believing what he says and not what he does and just pretty much keeping my Pollyanna smile on my face) so these straightforward "tough love" words are appreciated.
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Post by becca on Oct 3, 2016 18:58:57 GMT -5
Hi, my name is Mia. I'm new to this site and have never participated in any forum or blog before. I was just sitting at my computer thinking, could Google find me a site to answer this question...can a marriage survive without sex? I have been married over 32 years to the same man, have 2 grown children. Most of the marriage life has been good but sex was never the common factor of joy. I can say that our relationship is more of that of friends, roommates with family history, children and the commitment for better or worse. I'm not totally unhappy but I am not sure how to sustain us through the next part of our lives. Can a marriage continue on this path? Of course there is more to the picture here and therapy was no help. I have lost that intimate self, at least hidden it. Now I ask myself (or tell myself) it's ok to live a sexless life but I know thats not healthy. My husband's idea of intimacy and mine have never been the same. I think, gentleness, kissing, listening and communication is a common threat that women desire. My husband is, passive with his communication, blames others, verbally not nice and has problems with closeness especially when it involves his family. He is amazing in his world as a salesman, event planner but thats because he doesn't have to get too close. Oh yea, but out 6 lb toy poodle gets tons of affection! She is a safe and only gives affection back Now, how do I sustain this friendship (marriage) without benefits?
Welcome, Mia! I was you 3 weeks ago. Actually our stories are close to identical including the 2 grown children, the amazing salesman, living as roommates and losing your intimate self. That last part I didn't even fully realize until I was on here a few days. I was that numb. I won't proclaim to know all the answers but this is a place filled with information and people who understand where you are so please know you are not alone. You are absolutely not alone. I will try to save you a little time and let you know there is no cure. There is no 5 step program to fulfilling sex in your marriage. Yep, I was looking for that when I first arrived here. It isn't a club you want to be a part of but just know you have peeps here. Rediscover yourself and it is only ok to live a sexless life if that is something you want to do.
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Post by misssunnybunny on Oct 3, 2016 19:01:38 GMT -5
becca, it was "tough love" mixed with understanding and support on the EP forum that helped me get from "everything is great bar the sex" to finally leaving my marriage. Sometimes we need that metaphorical kick in the pants to see more clearly. Mia, you are in the right place to vent, get advice, or that tough love we sometimes need. Read, learn from our experiences. Best to you in your journey.
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Post by unmatched on Oct 3, 2016 19:52:25 GMT -5
Hi Mia and welcome. It seems that your post is asking two things. Can a marriage survive without sex? Yes, of course it can. You just need to decide whether it will be the life you want or not. But it also sounds suspiciously like your husband has a strong leaning towards being passive aggressive and intimacy-phobic. So the bigger question is are you willing to live without gentleness, kissing, listening, communication, intimacy and sex? Lots of people do. But the fact that you are here says that those things are important to you.
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Post by lwoetin on Oct 4, 2016 1:01:58 GMT -5
...can a marriage survive without sex? I have been married over 32 years to the same man, have 2 grown children....Now, how do I sustain this friendship (marriage) without benefits?
Yes, sex is not a necessity for human beings. My wife and many other good persons are proof. We need to study them carefully to see how it is done.
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Post by worksforme2 on Oct 4, 2016 6:22:12 GMT -5
Welcome Mia, ..Others have answered the 'can a marriage w/o sex survive' so I will comment and question other aspects I took from your post. Do you get any other forms of intimacy? Your H is plenty affectionate with your pet and that is a common thread with spouses who are intimacy averse with their human partners. The same was true for my X. The dog gets all the attention any animal could ask for and afterwards we settled for anything left over. What you describe is more of a conjoining of life paths than a marriage. You probably have many philosophical, perhaps religious or spiritual beliefs and other things that have made for a long term basically satisfactory relationship. And this has been enough while you reared your children and pursued career paths. But now you seem to be looking for more. How much more could determine if the marriage is sustainable. If you are hoping for a sustained and significant increase in the amount of sex or real intimacy you are probably in for a disappointment. But a small increase like more PDA's or "I love you" here and there might be doable for him and you. You would initiate these and hope he picks up on the hints. And who knows once these small efforts are common place in the relationship perhaps more might be in the offing. Good luck...
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Post by bballgirl on Oct 4, 2016 14:25:30 GMT -5
Can it survive without sex? Absolutely but it's not a normal marriage. If both are not in agreement with celibacy than its emotional abuse in my book. I told my husband I wish he would have beat me because I would have left sooner. Sexuality is a very personal thing and that changes for people through the years. It doesn't make refusers bad people but it is a manipulation or deceit on their part to unilaterally make the decision of celibacy for someone else that they supposedly love. I could not have a normal marriage so I chose to end it so that I could have sex if I wanted it.
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Post by JonDoe on Oct 15, 2016 5:48:47 GMT -5
... If both are not in agreement with celibacy than it's emotional abuse ... When I explained this to my wife years ago, it went over like a lead ballon. While she refused to hear anything I had to say or read anything I provided, she came back a few days later and told me that her girlfriends thought I was crazy too. Naturally, they only heard her warped side of the story. I can only imagine that her brief conversation with her girlfriends went something like this "Can you believe that [Jon] accused me of emotional abuse when I said 'Not tonight honey, I'm too tired'", and then her sympathizers said "What? That man is crazy! Typical guy, all they are interested in is your pussy. Make him wish he never said that!", then they went back to talking about import issues like 'Grey's Anatomy', 'The Bachlorette' and local gossip. I disagree. Anyone that would emotionally abuse their spouse and then try to discredit their spouse's emotions is a bad person, especially when it spans several year or decades. Does that make them evil? No, even though it might seem that way sometimes. Does it mean they aren't good in other ways? No, even though after years of emotional abuse it might become difficult to see the good with the bad. If a spouse refused to let the other partner eat 3 meals a day most people would not only consider that abuse, but would also think the refusing spouse was a bad person. The refusing spouse would be arrested, and it would be covered by CNN and other major news outlets. Which gives me an idea. If enough of us wrote to Dr. Gupta on CNN, maybe he would do a story on it!
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Post by bballgirl on Oct 15, 2016 7:23:40 GMT -5
... If both are not in agreement with celibacy than it's emotional abuse ... When I explained this to my wife years ago, it went over like a lead ballon. While she refused to hear anything I had to say or read anything I provided, she came back a few days later and told me that her girlfriends thought I was crazy too. Naturally, they only heard her warped side of the story. I can only imagine that her brief conversation with her girlfriends went something like this "Can you believe that [Jon] accused me of emotional abuse when I said 'Not tonight honey, I'm too tired'", and then her sympathizers said "What? That man is crazy! Typical guy, all they are interested in is your pussy. Make him wish he never said that!", then they went back to talking about import issues like 'Grey's Anatomy', 'The Bachlorette' and local gossip. I disagree. Anyone that would emotionally abuse their spouse and then try to discredit their spouse's emotions is a bad person, especially when it spans several year or decades. Does that make them evil? No, even though it might seem that way sometimes. Does it mean they aren't good in other ways? No, even though after years of emotional abuse it might become difficult to see the good with the bad. If a spouse refused to let the other partner eat 3 meals a day most people would not only consider that abuse, but would also think the refusing spouse was a bad person. The refusing spouse would be arrested, and it would be covered by CNN and other major news outlets. Which gives me an idea. If enough of us wrote to Dr. Gupta on CNN, maybe he would do a story on it! That sounds about right with the girlfriend scenario. Focus on yourself and figure out what you want for yourself. Then you can inform her of your unilateral decision. Depending on what that choice is you might not want to inform her.
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Post by JonDoe on Oct 15, 2016 7:45:22 GMT -5
She is going to get ZERO advanced notice, unless you count 25 years are me telling her I miss being intimate with my sexy wife. When my plan is ready to execute, she will be served papers at work.
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Post by bballgirl on Oct 15, 2016 9:31:01 GMT -5
She is going to get ZERO advanced notice, unless you count 25 years are me telling her I miss being intimate with my sexy wife. When my plan is ready to execute, she will be served papers at work. That's Perfect!! And Smart!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 10:54:55 GMT -5
I actually find your introduction very positive. You have insight and realistic expectations. Sadly a lot of people come here looking for a magic solution to make their partners suddenly sexual again and for most it's pointless. So you realize you have two options, stay and be sexless or leave. Which are both horrible choices. By the mere fact you are here you are struggling with the prospect of staying in the situation. You can accept staying but you would have to loose any resentment and spend you time finding alternatives, your pets, work, friends, activities, affairs whatever makes you happy. Or leave which is also a hard road that doesn't guarantee a better life. So good luck and I hope you find some answers here that help you find a path.
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Post by JonDoe on Oct 16, 2016 13:39:27 GMT -5
I actually find your introduction very positive. You have insight and realistic expectations. Sadly a lot of people come here looking for a magic solution to make their partners suddenly sexual again and for most it's pointless. So you realize you have two options, stay and be sexless or leave. Which are both horrible choices. By the mere fact you are here you are struggling with the prospect of staying in the situation. You can accept staying but you would have to loose any resentment and spend you time finding alternatives, your pets, work, friends, activities, affairs whatever makes you happy. Or leave which is also a hard road that doesn't guarantee a better life. So good luck and I hope you find some answers here that help you find a path. Finding alternatives is my specialty, but that body and those boobs, OMG!
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