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Post by wewbwb on Aug 22, 2016 7:03:34 GMT -5
Sometimes the issues that we face in a SM are simple. Sometimes they just don't love us. Sometimes we simply need more than they can give. Sometimes we simply need things in a different way than they can give.
They get tired of it. They fall out of love with us.
The hardest thing to understand and accept is that, We still love them. We wish they could fulfill us. We want them to.
Sometimes we make mistakes that they cannot forgive us for.
Sometimes, we fail to see that they don't love us because we see them through our own eyes. Eyes that want to see the relationship work.
Unfortunately, the heart doesn't have eyes. It simply feels what it feels.
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Post by worksforme2 on Aug 22, 2016 7:41:54 GMT -5
Sometimes the issues that we face in a SM are simple. Sometimes they just don't love us. I think at the heart of it all thus is what it really amounts to. I know I was willing to twist myself into a pretzel to try and find a way to fix things, to make it work. I was willing to see doctors, take medicine, go places I really wasn't interested in but she was, read, research and change myself to try and get back to what we once had. She on the other hand could only put a token effort into giving me the intimacy I willingly and gladly gave to her. I did it because of love, her out of necessity. And when it comes to that point, you can stick a fork in it, it's done.
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Post by eternaloptimism on Aug 22, 2016 7:42:48 GMT -5
Sometimes..... Just one time actually.... We have to tell our hearts to shut up and do what's right for us in order to get out and get our lives back.
Just one time.
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Post by misssunnybunny on Aug 22, 2016 8:43:39 GMT -5
Sometimes, the opposite happens. I know he loved me, maybe he still does. It was that he seemed to love the idea of me more than the actual me. In the end I turned more into a caretaker/housekeeper, and it reminds me of the relationship his mom has with her partner: she takes care of him, but they sleep in separate rooms.
I really tried to fix it, to see if things could change, but I finally saw they wouldn't--he wouldn't--change. I loved him, but eventually I fell out of love with him because he couldn't give me the kind of relationship I needed and wanted. I know I deserve better than that, and I hope someday to find it.
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Post by cagedtiger on Aug 22, 2016 8:49:13 GMT -5
Sometimes, the opposite happens. I know he loved me, maybe he still does. It was that he seemed to love the idea of me more than the actual me. In the end I turned more into a caretaker/housekeeper, and it reminds me of the relationship his mom has with her partner: she takes care of him, but they sleep in separate rooms. I really tried to fix it, to see if things could change, but I finally saw they wouldn't--he wouldn't--change. I loved him, but eventually I fell out of love with him because he couldn't give me the kind of relationship I needed and wanted. I know I deserve better than that, and I hope someday to find it. Whoa. I think you just described my marriage.
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Post by iceman on Aug 22, 2016 9:53:29 GMT -5
Sometimes, the opposite happens. I know he loved me, maybe he still does. It was that he seemed to love the idea of me more than the actual me. In the end I turned more into a caretaker/housekeeper, and it reminds me of the relationship his mom has with her partner: she takes care of him, but they sleep in separate rooms. I really tried to fix it, to see if things could change, but I finally saw they wouldn't--he wouldn't--change. I loved him, but eventually I fell out of love with him because he couldn't give me the kind of relationship I needed and wanted. I know I deserve better than that, and I hope someday to find it. This really describes how I feel about my relationship with my wife. In many ways I've become her caretaker. I'm responsible for her emotional, physical, and financial needs. I am the sole source of income. She can't deal with life emotionally. And by physical needs I mean medical needs. She does have medical issues which I've alluded to before and her less than aggressive approach to them. I wouldn't mind this. I view that as part of the wedding vows. The problem is it is and pretty much always has been a one way street. I feel that she doesn't try to care for herself. I care for her and all of my needs are ignored. She expects me to care for her but has no desire to care for me. I'm left dangling. I'm not a saint. I feel guilty but I can't constantly give without receiving something back on a semi-regular basis. Aren't spouses supposed to care for each other? If this were a temporary situation that would be one thing but this has been going on really for the entirety of our marriage and it's getting worse. I still love her but I'm in no way in love with her and that's a big difference. If she's honest she feels the same about me. As hard as it is I need more to keep my own sanity and health.
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Post by wewbwb on Aug 22, 2016 10:16:05 GMT -5
This is part of the issue for me. Although I find myself in this situation, neither of us can simply "walk out" due to finances and health issues.
And yes, I will still be there to help her as much as I can.
I simply cannot be that guy who abandoned his disabled wife.
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Post by iceman on Aug 22, 2016 10:30:21 GMT -5
I simply cannot be that guy who abandoned his disabled wife. Yeah, that weighs heavily on me. My wife is by no means disabled but I would be walking out on somebody who needs help. Like you, I'd help her as much as I could but it would still feel like I'm abandoning her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 12:02:01 GMT -5
I simply cannot be that guy who abandoned his disabled wife. Yeah, that weighs heavily on me. My wife is by no means disabled but I would be walking out on somebody who needs help. Like you, I'd help her as much as I could but it would still feel like I'm abandoning her. Same here.... not disabled...but depends on me heavily...and it's hard to step away knowing the WILL fall...but I am getting tired....and I am sure I will take shit from her for my perceived shortcomings...heck, she has already questioned my manhood...
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Post by iceman on Aug 22, 2016 14:38:35 GMT -5
Yeah, that weighs heavily on me. My wife is by no means disabled but I would be walking out on somebody who needs help. Like you, I'd help her as much as I could but it would still feel like I'm abandoning her. Same here.... not disabled...but depends on me heavily...and it's hard to step away knowing the WILL fall...but I am getting tired....and I am sure I will take shit from her for my perceived shortcomings...heck, she has already questioned my manhood..." I have a lot of perceived shortcomings in her eyes. Some I agree with, nobody's perfect and I'll generally take ownership of them, but most I don't agree with her. She at least has not questioned my manhood, at least not to my face. Sorry, that must suck for you. That's really low.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:54:06 GMT -5
Same here.... not disabled...but depends on me heavily...and it's hard to step away knowing the WILL fall...but I am getting tired....and I am sure I will take shit from her for my perceived shortcomings...heck, she has already questioned my manhood..." I have a lot of perceived shortcomings in her eyes. Some I agree with, nobody's perfect and I'll generally take ownership of them, but most I don't agree with her. She at least has not questioned my manhood, at least not to my face. Sorry, that must suck for you. That's really low. Yeah.... I am not a very manly guy to begin with...physically or emotionally...but to have your own wife say "be a man...".... I have wanted to respond.."if I did...I would hand you your walking papers..." It only enrages me and does not help the situation. I feel very alone in the world...and a total misfit I guess it ain't that simple...
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Post by Pinkberry on Aug 22, 2016 16:21:40 GMT -5
Yeah, that weighs heavily on me. My wife is by no means disabled but I would be walking out on somebody who needs help. Like you, I'd help her as much as I could but it would still feel like I'm abandoning her. Same here.... not disabled...but depends on me heavily...and it's hard to step away knowing the WILL fall...but I am getting tired....and I am sure I will take shit from her for my perceived shortcomings...heck, she has already questioned my manhood... None of you are responsible for what happens to another adult. Disabled does not mean totally incapacitated in most cases. Hopefully that is not the case. And people who need help have more than one option. Furthermore, some people who need help don't need it as much as it has become a habit to have it. This is not much different from those whose spouses are depressed. They worry that if they leave, the spouse will commit suicide or that people will label them as the one who left because their spouse was depressed and how shitty that is. If you feel responsible for certain aspects of their lives, part of an exit plan has to involve finding other avenues of support. You are not the only one in the world who can help this person. What happens if you, God forbid, get run over by a bus tomorrow? Will your spouse literally wither and die, or will there be ways for that person to get what they need elsewhere? I certainly don't have the answers for everyone and am not trying to insult or belittle anyone. I hope to point out that there are almost always options. They may not be the ones you envision when you consider it. They may be very radical. But most of the time, they are there. Thinking about it from the perspective of what might happen if you pass away often gets people thinking differently about what is possible. There is nothing dishonorable about considering finding other avenues of support for someone and finding a new life for yourself. You have the right to leave just as much as anyone else.
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Post by baza on Aug 22, 2016 17:34:01 GMT -5
Sister Pinkberry makes a whole heap of sense. Circumstances that would preclude you from being the carer / support person / doormat can easily arise. An alternative plan is a must. It is in EVERYONES best interests that an alternative exists. - The alternative does NOT have to be perfect, all it has to be is "do-able" (at pretty short notice if you suddenly die or become majorly incapacitated) - And it ain't such a stretch from there to envisage a scenario wherein you could play a major support role without being the sole support person. - Cut to the chase here, would you be doing the afflicted person any favours by going from "alive and sole support person" today, to "dead and no support at all" tomorrow ? Or might it make more sense to gradually outsource the support roles to other appropriate persons so that if circumstances arose that precluded you being the sole care provider, then you would not be leaving the afflicted person high and dry ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 18:11:28 GMT -5
This is part of the issue for me. Although I find myself in this situation, neither of us can simply "walk out" due to finances and health issues. And yes, I will still be there to help her as much as I can. I simply cannot be that guy who abandoned his disabled wife. Just like with kids, you can still be there for her. You'll probably pay alimony, and you can help her get to doctor appointments etc. Might get a little weird when you start dating though. And are you the only person she has to turn to? If so, she needs to change that, for her sake. If you only have one person in the world that's a precarious position. Is it possible she has set things up so you will be abandoning her? Because she knows you don't want to be that guy? And if she does have a broader support network, you won't be that guy because she won't be abandoned.
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Post by greatcoastal on Aug 22, 2016 18:31:31 GMT -5
Without giving this much thought,call it a knee jerk reaction. If your spouse is so dependent on you it would seem logical, that they value you greatly,and would be doing everything to keep you, that includes keeping you happy. Why is that not the case? Is there guilt in standing up for yourself? Have you been programmed to give,give,give, that even the least bit of taking has you feeling selfish?
We watched this fold out with Grandpa and Grandma. Her being the manipulative controller, playing the sympathy card to the max. She used a walker, wore a neck brace, took tons of medications, saw many doctors every week, needed extra pillows every were she went, couldn't drive etc..... When Grandpa gave up on the whole relationship, in less than a year, guess who is free of all her ailments? Not saying your spouses are lying, no, no! But this was an example of how she coped with out him, and took care of herself.
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