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Post by worksforme2 on Dec 28, 2019 11:01:40 GMT -5
Legal Update: Yesterday I abandoned my compassion, accepted my lawyer's best advice and signed the "Husband's Complaint of Divorce" due to "inappropriate marital conduct." It will be filed on Monday. Let's let the judge decide. May the best STBX win. HAPPY SATURDAY! This is unfortunate. I was fortunate my X was quite reasonable as was I in the divorce. We both wanted to remain friends so we worked out the settlement and took it in to an attorney for proper legal filing. Getting out of the marriage early into it's sexless state was advantageous I think. We called it quits well before an real animosity and dislike found it's way into the relationship. Greatcoastal is correct in saying the earlier one can dissolve and separate ones self from a SM the better the likelihood of a positive resolution. Sometimes the only option is to play hardball. I hope your attorney is a "take no prisoners" kind of lawyer when/if that time comes.
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Post by DryCreek on Dec 28, 2019 19:18:59 GMT -5
itme, one key observation: you’re being passive; she’s being assertive. You are letting yourself get steamrolled. You: “I can be available to do X with the kids” Her: “No. I’m doing it.” Needs to turn into: “I’ll be going along on troop X activity next weekend.” And if your kids have a practice, etc., you can still be there even if you’re not the one driving them. You’re literally handing her the opportunities to shut you out. Don’t do that. You need to be more confrontational here and tackle the behavior head-on. A la, “I intend to play an active role in my children’s lives, and I won’t accept you trying to shut me out by dominating their time and activities.” Start keeping a log, and talk to your lawyer about this behavior. An e-mail trail will be very convenient later, if you guys communicate that way.
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Post by northstarmom on Dec 28, 2019 19:34:24 GMT -5
Padjem, always listen to your lawyer. Be fair, don’t short yourself. Take your fair share.That’s not being mean. It’s bring fair.
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Post by isthisit on Dec 28, 2019 19:50:55 GMT -5
itme I am very sorry to hear about your circumstances. I have no direct experience to offer, and live in a country which seems to have a much different culture in terms of family law and practices. However, my thoughts are in line with those of DryCreek I wonder if your reprehensible W is lining you up for criticism of not taking an active part in the activities of your children. Of course you should not have to coerce your way into this world, but it may be to your advantage to think about it. Very hard when you are already feeling low and dreadful I know. I do have quite a bit of experience working with children in different, but highly disadvantaged circumstances and can reassure you that whatever witchcraft can be applied to children (even the youngest of children) by adults in an attempt to 'turn' them from a parent is always unsuccessful in the long run. Think of those children dreadfully abused and neglected by dysfunctional parents- their kids continue to love them, remain loyal to them and those familial ties are unbreakable despite that not necessarily being a wonderful thing. So, consider the parent you have been. Can W really make that vanish in a puff of smoke now that it suits her? Not a chance. At present your children are likely not to have the autonomy or social agency to express that they comprehend or even understand the games your W is choosing to play, but in the long run that bond you have with them will override it all, and you will have them back in mind and spirit. No help today I am sure, but as you have identified, take it one breath at a time and have confidence in yourself and your parenting. It will come good. I am not sure if you have discussed this already but do you have some solid support to help you through this horrible experience?
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Post by saarinista on Dec 28, 2019 21:37:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately it sounds like your divorce-like so many, will be adversarial.
You must look out for your own self in a divorce. That's what your wife is doing. No surprise there.
It may be easier if you let your attorney do more of the negotiating. You cannot expect your wife to help your interests. She hasn't done it until now. Why would she started at this point?
This is reality.
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Post by greatcoastal on Dec 28, 2019 22:01:34 GMT -5
itme , one key observation: you’re being passive; she’s being assertive. You are letting yourself get steamrolled. You: “I can be available to do X with the kids” Her: “No. I’m doing it.” Needs to turn into: “I’ll be going along on troop X activity next weekend.” And if your kids have a practice, etc., you can still be there even if you’re not the one driving them. You’re literally handing her the opportunities to shut you out. Don’t do that. You need to be more confrontational here and tackle the behavior head-on. A la, “I intend to play an active role in my children’s lives, and I won’t accept you trying to shut me out by dominating their time and activities.” Start keeping a log, and talk to your lawyer about this behavior. An e-mail trail will be very convenient later, if you guys communicate that way. I sooo very much agree with this! (sadly my story relates to yours). I had/have a friend like DryCreek whom I met with in person and over the phone weekly and in between. Someone who would tell me directly " this is business only. Avoid any emotions, stick to the facts and tell her " no". Then tell her exactly how it is going to be. Then follow through. Text her and send it to your attorney as well. I will help you word it!" What a God send!! My attorney would do much of the same, but with a huge $$$. My friend? No $$$ just support. Your STBX is way ahead of you with her "flying monkeys" (her click) and their " all men are scum, you go girl" behavior. Sadly she is already using the kids as a weapon against you. Don't expect family court to intervene. She will continue to get away with it. Go over her head, call your daughters troop leader and make a reservation and tell your daughters, " daddy is going with you, I so look forward to it, it will be fun". Pack your things and leave early. However, at the same time proceed with caution! If things get physical, or violent, retreet, drop the rope. Inform your attorney as soon as possible, have a bag packed just in case. (that's what I went through. And was advised to do so by my therapist, who endured the same thing!) My daughters where in American Heritage Girls and I was not allowed to sit in on their meetings or participate because I am not female. You can bet my ex took full advantage of it! It was my own daughters who decided to no longer be a part of "those women" and their behavior.
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Post by isthisit on Dec 29, 2019 3:25:56 GMT -5
Thanks all, I had previously notified her that clients have invited the girls and I to an event, but that’s in a couple weeks. But I was so enormously triggered by her shutting down the birthday hike that I’m spooked right now. When I say triggered, I’m talking about confusion, tingly brain, anxiety, fatigue and now trouble sleeping, all of which preceded my trip to the hospital 8 years ago. So let’s say I’m treading super carefully right now and trying like hell to expedite the legal process and move out w my court order for 50/50 custody. The meds have been working for 8 years under normal circumstances, but these ones ain’t normal. I can’t risk getting straight jacketed right now. Just can’t. isthisit Aside from you guys, I have a great therapist, 2 life coaches, a couple clients I have confided in, out of state family, and tomorrow I’m having coffee with STBX’s ex sister in law, who made a similar exit about 5 years ago, and was treated similarly by her ex and my in-laws. It really seems like my STBX is emulating her big brother’s style... I am glad you have a range of people to support you. Professional expertise and authentic friends sounds pretty ideal. I wonder if a MH professional could or should be added to the ‘soup’ of padgemi support. I do not want to put dark thoughts into your mind but does your W know enough about your diagnosis to attempt to provoke a deterioration, which could be to her advantage? I hope this is not the case.
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Post by sadkat on Jan 12, 2020 22:39:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the update itme. It’s likely they will try to drag this out more. It only benefits the lawyer, though. It’s a shame w can’t see that. Hang In there!
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Post by grower on Jan 13, 2020 10:35:07 GMT -5
Good luck, your situation make me appreciate the crap I have, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for uncontested D and 50/50 on my son.
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Post by saarinista on Jan 13, 2020 15:41:27 GMT -5
Padjem, always listen to your lawyer. Be fair, don’t short yourself. Take your fair share.That’s not being mean. It’s bring fair. This times 1 million. I honestly can't blame my husband for not wanting sex anymore because his first wife was a total beast in their divorce (no I was not part of it but who cares if I had been?) He filed, then disregarded his attorneys advice and tried to be nice to her instead of following the attorney's advice. He regrets that, but still is glad he's away from her and so am I.. Again, some people are just mean and itme your wife sounds mean and vindictive. You MUST take care of you now. for you and your kids. She's a professional and she can live without you. She's been disdaining you anyway. To heck with her BS. Take care of you by listening to your attorney is my advice too (assuming s/he is at least half knowledgeable.) You are going to be fine. You are courageous and your wife is showing her true colors to all around. Sad!
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Post by saarinista on Jan 13, 2020 15:46:52 GMT -5
Oh that dark thought is already in my head. I have tried to present evidence to my lawyer, but most of it is verbal and flimsy on paper. Since diagnosis I’ve been seeing a psychiatrist at least once every 3 months. On my last visit a couple weeks ago, when I announced the divorce, he said to me: “You know, she’s never forgiven you for whatever happened 8 years ago.” He’s spot on, but I was ASTONISHED he said it out loud! Well what does that tell you? Your psychiatrist knows. Hang tough, brother. As someone who's dealt with years of depression and anxiety I deplore anyone who weaponizes those of us who responsibly seek treatment. Could it be your wife is the undiagnosed patient? Again, you sound like you're doing the right stuff. Keep that support network strong and don't buy into her mind games, which are bad for your kids, a waste of her own energy and bespeak the possibility that SHE has significant issues she has yet to deal with. Just saying.
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Post by northstarmom on Feb 3, 2020 18:11:04 GMT -5
This is ridiculous: “ 3. As to Husband's request to be primary residential parent, Wife would show that Husband is neither fit nor proper for such and has admitted that he has been diagnosed as Bi-Polar Disorder and as such, he is not sufficiently stable to care for minor children and further, any visitation, if awarded to Husband, should be with a supervisor subject to Wife's reasonable approval."
Keep documenting how you wife trusts you now to care for the children without supervision. This will allow the lawyers and judge to see how petty and vindictive your wife is.
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Post by saarinista on Feb 3, 2020 18:43:25 GMT -5
itme that is total BS on your wife's heart, I agree. Supervised visitation is for murderers or child sexual abusers. Since when is a treated mood disorder cause for reduction of your parental rights? Grr. Tell your local NAMI chapter. Do they have any ideas how to combat this discrimination?
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Post by Handy on Feb 3, 2020 19:50:34 GMT -5
Northstarmom This will allow the lawyers and judge to see how petty and vindictive your wife is.
Petty and vindictive is correct.
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Post by greatcoastal on Feb 3, 2020 20:10:24 GMT -5
Sadly, this manipulation will go on, and on... (multiple lawyers) and may never reach a judge. Then comes the crazy part of "what judge you get". Stay strong by drawing strength from your attorney. In fact use this to demand more of your own rights and time with your children.
Typical narcissistic behavior, give them an inch and they will take your kidney.
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