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Post by h on Jan 19, 2019 12:50:04 GMT -5
My father in law was just diagnosed with cancer. My W and her family are very shook up over it. I'm trying my best to to be supportive for my W but on the inside, I don't feel bad for him at all. He smoked his whole life and now has a malignant mass in his lung. He made his choices and now has to live with the consequences. I feel bad for what this is doing to the rest of his family, but I don't feel bad at all for him. Does that make me a terrible person?
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Post by northstarmom on Jan 19, 2019 13:02:59 GMT -5
I think you are showing an unfortunate lack of empathy. He is still suffering even though he chose to smoke. Are you just as judgmental toward people who get ill because they got cancer from baking themselves in the sun or got heart disease or cancer due to drinking alcohol, not exercising or eating unhealthfully?
Also, no matter what we do, we are going to die. Who is deserving of your sympathy as they suffer from a terminal illness?
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Post by isthisit on Jan 19, 2019 13:30:52 GMT -5
My father in law was just diagnosed with cancer. My W and her family are very shook up over it. I'm trying my best to to be supportive for my W but on the inside, I don't feel bad for him at all. He smoked his whole life and now has a malignant mass in his lung. He made his choices and now has to live with the consequences. I feel bad for what this is doing to the rest of his family, but I don't feel bad at all for him. Does that make me a terrible person? h I think the thoughts crossing your mind are very normal and occur to most people in this situation- including the patients themselves, so no I don’t think that you are a terrible person. What is relevant are your actions and inactions. You describe supporting your W and extended family which is the empathetic and decent thing to do, as long as your thoughts remain private to you where is the harm?
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Post by Handy on Jan 19, 2019 13:32:41 GMT -5
My take on smoking is people have a choice and DON'T Have a choice because smoking delivers very addictive chemicals to the body. I had a neighbor that was a registered nurse and she developed mouth cancer. She had some surgery, quit smoking for 6 months, then went back to smoking. Of course she died within the year even knowing smoking was the cause of her cancer. The Dutch knew which type of tobacco was the most addictive back I think in the 1600 and grew that type in the Americas and imported into Europe. The more addictive tobaco produced more revenue. Well now, "more revenue" is an odd concept? "Not" as in the charachter's in Wayne’s World would add. I watched the congressional hearings back in the 50's or early 60's where the tobacco company executives all lied about how tobacco was just a habit and not addictive or harmful even after there were decades of evidence that said tobacco usage caused several fatal diseases. It took several more years for tobacco companies to put health warning labels on tobacco packages and several decades to ban smoking indoors in the USA. So what did big tobacco do, they got people in other countries to smoke more and now we have E-Tobacco. No tobacco executive is in jail, tobacco growers still might get government subsidies. To me it is criminal to produce lethal products. Asbestos, is another situation that upsets me. I worked where asbestos was common and often asbestos particles were in the air. The asbestos companies knew over 100 years ago asbestos usually lead to lung cancer but paid people to hide that downside of the product. Yea, big money can corrupt the situation and if some people die, that is less important than company profits. I think I am OK asbestos wise. I had 2 CAT scans and nothing showed on the CAT image.
Bottom line, there is a shared responsibility regarding smoking. Part of the problem is the tobacco industry and part is the individual's. And smoking effects different people in different ways.
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Post by baza on Jan 19, 2019 17:19:14 GMT -5
My father in law was just diagnosed with cancer. My W and her family are very shook up over it. I'm trying my best to to be supportive for my W but on the inside, I don't feel bad for him at all. He smoked his whole life and now has a malignant mass in his lung. He made his choices and now has to live with the consequences. I feel bad for what this is doing to the rest of his family, but I don't feel bad at all for him. Does that make me a terrible person? I gather that you don't like the bloke much Brother h . I speculate that if this had actually happened to someone else - someone that you liked - your attitude might be a tad more empathetic.
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Post by workingonit on Jan 19, 2019 18:30:44 GMT -5
I was on the dead bedrooms reddit. Someone replied to someone suffering in an SM "you chose to stay, you deserve it." We all make choices and all choices have consequences. How much empathy you have generally depends on how you feel about the person. I had a patient that was 450+ pounds, diabetic, high blood pressure, etc. He took crap care of himself and continually did not take his insulin (this was in prison so I know exactly when he took his insulin) and ate junk. He also never took his medication and would give me a "yeah, yeah" whenever I tried to educate him. Well of course he stumbled and injured his toe which could not heal bc of his diabetes. Suddenly he cared! He begged me to "save" his toe and help him. I did all I could but it was hard to not feel angry at being made to take care of someone who did not care for himself. If I were his family I would have been really angry with him. Check in with yourself, h and figure out the best use of your energy and empathy. And figure out how to vent your anger and resentment if it is getting in your way. It is toxic for you and will not help anyone else either!
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Post by h on Jan 20, 2019 7:33:56 GMT -5
I was on the dead bedrooms reddit. Someone replied to someone suffering in an SM "you chose to stay, you deserve it." We all make choices and all choices have consequences. How much empathy you have generally depends on how you feel about the person. I had a patient that was 450+ pounds, diabetic, high blood pressure, etc. He took crap care of himself and continually did not take his insulin (this was in prison so I know exactly when he took his insulin) and ate junk. He also never took his medication and would give me a "yeah, yeah" whenever I tried to educate him. Well of course he stumbled and injured his toe which could not heal bc of his diabetes. Suddenly he cared! He begged me to "save" his toe and help him. I did all I could but it was hard to not feel angry at being made to take care of someone who did not care for himself. If I were his family I would have been really angry with him. Check in with yourself, h and figure out the best use of your energy and empathy. And figure out how to vent your anger and resentment if it is getting in your way. It is toxic for you and will not help anyone else either! Honestly, I'm not really angry. I don't dislike the guy. I'm more apathetic. His sister (my W's aunt) had breast cancer and we supported her through that but she didn't contribute to her illness. There was nothing she did to make herself get cancer so sympathy makes sense. W's father, smoked his whole life. I'm not mad at him, I just can't bring myself to be sympathetic. He did this to himself. He chose to smoke when he was younger. He chose to continue to smoke even after all the news and public awareness of the health risks. In my state, you can get free help quitting smoking. They give people the patches and gum and call it a public service. There really is no excuse. My dad smoked when he was younger also. He quit when my mother got pregnant for me. He didn't even use any nicotine replacement, he just made the choice to quit and did. People do the things they truly want to do.
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Post by northstarmom on Jan 20, 2019 8:52:14 GMT -5
A doctor wrote this after a longtime patient was diagnosed with lung cancer:”The news shook me. Ms. X hugged us at the end of every visit. She had worked for decades as a seamstress and hoped to retire soon. A resident overheard my conversation. “Did your patient smoke?” she asked. “No,” I said. The trainee sighed and shook her head. “When a person who doesn’t smoke gets lung cancer — that’s just unacceptable.” I was stunned by the implication — that a cancer diagnosis in a patient who used tobacco was acceptable. It is a tragedy when any patient develops lung cancer. They will undergo surgeries, toxic infusions and lonely nights in the hospital. Many will face crushing financial pressures and be forced to confront their mortality in unimaginable ways. Why would we mute our sympathy at this moment?” www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/outlook/what-happens-when-the-doctor-blames-you-for-your-own-cancer/2019/01/11/2791611e-14ff-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html
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Post by solodriver on Jan 28, 2019 0:04:29 GMT -5
My father in law was just diagnosed with cancer. My W and her family are very shook up over it. I'm trying my best to to be supportive for my W but on the inside, I don't feel bad for him at all. He smoked his whole life and now has a malignant mass in his lung. He made his choices and now has to live with the consequences. I feel bad for what this is doing to the rest of his family, but I don't feel bad at all for him. Does that make me a terrible person? h I think the thoughts crossing your mind are very normal and occur to most people in this situation- including the patients themselves, so no I don’t think that you are a terrible person. What is relevant are your actions and inactions. You describe supporting your W and extended family which is the empathetic and decent thing to do, as long as your thoughts remain private to you where is the harm? h,
I felt the EXACT same way when my dad was diagnosed with lung cancer from smoking for over 30 years. I feel like it didn't have to happen. I know that tobacco can be very addictive, and really until very recently, the products that were available to help stop smoking weren't very good. He lost his battle after 3 years after diagnoses but he was Stage 3 when he was diagnosed. He did fight valiantly and did all he could do, but it was already too late when he was diagnosed. But how long have we known that smoking is dangerous and you do NOTHING to try and stop it? Of course there are consequences. I think, especially young kids, should spend time watching someone who smoked going through chemo and the side effects of that for days, like I did my dad, and maybe they wouldn't find it so cool. And I couldn't go see him in his last days because it was horrible and I didn't want to remember him that way. So I went back home for the funeral.
That was 20 years ago and I still don't regret how I handled it or the way I felt about it.
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Post by ihadalove on Feb 19, 2019 21:50:00 GMT -5
Coming to this late h, but I think they are normal thoughts to have. A colleague of mine who I considered to be a friend went through an illness and died largely through his own doing. He got prostate cancer (which is very treatable), and underwent treatment. The cancer was gone but his liver killed him due to his drinking problem. It was a very tough way to go, he was hardly recognizable. I was very sad and sometimes still am about it. But I was mad that really, he did it to himself and it was all very preventable. These aren't things you say to someone in that situation of course. He knew full well he brought it on himself. Be supportive. It's all you can do. It certainly is instructional though, I still think about it if I'm tempted to drink to excess on occasion, and it's influenced my behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 13:45:43 GMT -5
My doctor once said that longevity is 33% genetic, 33% behavior and 33% who knows what. Given that formula, and that smoking is furiously addictive for some people, he would have my sympathy but I don't know the guy. My F-I-L is in a nursing home and gets little sympathy from me because he's not a nice person which makes me not a nice person too. We're all human. Maybe we should all have as much sympathy as possible for each other based on that alone.
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Post by theexplorer on May 3, 2019 15:21:48 GMT -5
Do you know for certain that his lung cancer was caused by smoking? While smoking is a significant risk factor for lung cancer, it is NOT the only cause of such cancer. If you are not 100% certain what caused his lung cancer, perhaps you should give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Handy on May 3, 2019 15:42:46 GMT -5
My sister got lung cancer and never smoked or worked around chemicals.
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Post by worksforme2 on May 4, 2019 8:53:26 GMT -5
It's very problematic at times to address our own feelings when it comes to a situation like this. Most of us probably know someone or have relatives who face health issues in whole or part because of something they did or continue to do. My oldest son uses snuff. Recently he spent a couple weeks in a great deal of pain because 6 of his molars were decayed to the point they abscessed. It was caused to some degree by his use of tobacco products and simply poor hygiene in regards to his teeth. After they were pulled and the pain went away he went right back top the snuff, knowing additional bad consequences are likely. I will undoubtedly feel sympathy for him when this poor decision results in more pain and possibly really serious consequences such as cancer in his mouth or facial bones. People who do this sort of thing to themselves (excessive alcohol, tobacco use, illegal drugs) usually know and understand what's probably coming down the pike for them, but they make a conscience choice to abuse themselves or these products, and it seems that often there is nothing that can be done about it. And sometimes it's hard to be really empathetic knowing a different choice would have made for a different result.
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Post by lessingham on Jun 5, 2019 3:34:05 GMT -5
I recall a radio programme about smoking. They said that lung cancer used to be a rare disease and the doctors were baffled by its appearance. Whether there is a link with smoking depends on how many lawyers for the tobacco companies are reading this. As a lad I can remember changing asbestos brake pads on bike and yup, we always blew the dust out before fitting the new ones. But as for feeling for your cancer suffering relative, you cannot feel what you do not feel. But you can still be a rock of support.
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