Eventually, this Tara Jane Parmieter cuts to the chase and says -
"If you’re married with kids, please do your due diligence. Educate yourself about family court, high-conflict divorce, how to vet skilled attorneys, potential children’s therapists, parental alienation, parallel parenting, how to document abuse and parenting logs and, most importantly, how to exit as safely as possible so you don’t end up with a false abuse allegation and a restraining order. Talk to other men and women with similar experiences and find out what worked for them and what didn’t. Get some support whether it’s professional or a trusted friend. If you encounter anyone who minimizes, makes light of or blames you for your abuser’s behavior, disregard their ignorant bias. Keep working at taking care of yourself and don’t let the bastards get you down"
In other words - - see a lawyer and establish how a divorce would shake out for you - within those parameters start putting an exit strategy in place and get it into do-able shape - shore up your support network - research everything you can about shepherding your kids through such an event
These points (above) get hammered in here all the time....the necessity to create an alternative to staying in a sub-optimal situation.
And FWIW, I reckon that's why people (women and/or men) don't leave their dysfunctional marriages - because they have not constructed a viable alternative to staying in the status quo. They have not - presently - got an alternative choice. And/or in some instances, they have been so beaten down, the construction of a viable alternative plan is not - presently - within their capabilities.
greatcoastal. Thanks, I found that article interesting to read. I agree with it very much. There is definitely a stigma attached to male abuse. The idea of a man not being capable of dealing with an abusive woman is not something which everyone can imagine. But it is a very prejudice view. I would imagine a lot of men suffer low level physical abuse but wouldn’t know how to deal with it. And mental abuse must be quite common. The answer of why a man doesn’t leave an abusive woman is maybe in the question. They are abusive. And unless there are no dependants the very problem itself prevents the obvious solution. I don’t think that when men get abused in a relationship it is ever as serious as the more serious cases of female abuse and I think my concern would lie more with vulnerable women but the male cases are there and this needs to be recognised.
Is the main problem physical abuse, verbal abuse or neglect? I would say it is a combination of all three or more types of abuse or neglect. Of course different people see some activities as abuse and others see it as normal interactions .
I don't think one gender has the market cornered so this isn't a male or female thing, it is a people thing. Responsible men know a divorce will cost a lot in several ways. Many women fear a decline in economic stability.
Why some men stay, well responsible type men are taught to take the punches and don't be a wimp or a quitter. Sometimes it comes down to the old, never let a girl beat you up if you want to keep your "man card."
Post by lifeinwoodinville on Feb 14, 2019 1:58:26 GMT -5
My wife drives me nuckin' futz! My psychologist says she's a bully, a lazy diva, and she treats me like her personal servant. I tolerate her because of my kids.
I don't want to break up the family. I don't want my kids have to move away from their friends because as single people neither of us can afford to live in this area. I don't want to see my kids half the time. I don't want my wife remarrying and have some other guy raising my kids when I am not there.
I made the decision long ago to put up with my wife as long as I can because of my kids. I am fully aware of the arguments against my plan but this is what I think is best for everyone involved.
The author of the article kinda hits home with what she is saying but as we all know, it's never an easy decision no matter what you choose. Maybe I'm being selfish, maybe I'm making the wrong choices, I don't know. I see my psychologist every month and talk about this stuff and she helps keep me afloat. For now this is what I have, maybe something will change in six months, who knows.
It's possible to win every battle but still lose the war.
carl I don't think we need minimise the effect of emotional or verbal abuse on men. Where there is no physical abuse involved I don't think the impact on men is any less. What is different is the fear factor in terms of escalation to physical violence. My ex was emotionally abusive and he used to hit things around me - that was a physical threat - and yes, I guess maybe that's a magnifying factor. As soon as I started playing rugby - that stopped. But the emotional and verbal abuse and coercive control continued.
In general, I think we (as a society) minimise the impact of emotional abuse in general toward men or women. I mean yes, physical violence is awful, but emotional abuse is so tricky because it's not black and white. And in many cases, it is also reciprocal. Even in my deal I definitely strove NOT to be emotionally or verbally abusive but I defo said things I wished I hadn't.
lifeinwoodinville- I also made the choice to stay for my kid- for all the reasons you mentioned. Yes, I know it was probably selfish but it was the least awful decision I faced. The kids will grow up and leave the nest. At that point, you can re-evaluate your life and face yet another difficult decision. For now, try to be content with your situation. Remind yourself of the reasons why you made the decision to stay and look for other ways to find joy in your life. Focusing on what you’re missing from your wife is counterproductive at this point.
elkclan2 emotional abuse is hard to measure sometimes and intent is difficult to know. But that’s probably how it persists. Do you think sex is ever used to abuse men in a marriage ?
Well, I would certainly hazard a guess that it does. I mean in my marriage, sex was held out like crumbs and used to control my behaviour and I was certainly rejected in emotionally abusive ways and I can't see that this needs to be an exclusive strategy of male refusers.
elkclan2 do you still let the chance of sex control your behaviour ? I have stopped doing that now and it feels much more relaxing just knowing that ok we aren’t going to be having sex (unless a long chat happens first) but at least I am not going to be wasting my life begging for it.
As long as you live in a scarcity economy - and the thing you want - whatever it is - seems within reach, but unobtainable, it will influence your behaviour. You can choose to chase the item. Or you can say, fuck-it, I'll never get it - I'll pretend I don't want it. And even if you get to the point where you really don't want it - sex with a particular person - it still matters because you're not supposed to get it from anyone else. And no matter how much you think you don't care any more you'll resent that this person is standing between you and the joyful, sexful life you'd like to have or maybe think you even deserve.
I went through all those phases. I went through desperation, acceptance, outsourcing and then finally ending that relationship.
I was single for a while, but I've been in a new relationship for almost two years. It's joyful and sexful.
This morning, for the first time ever, I threatened to withhold sex from my partner.
Here's the backstory: We are both playing the same silly Angry Birds mobile phone game. He's 40 levels ahead of me, we've been joking about it our competitive nature and I said maybe I should go on sex strike while he's still making war on the piggies -Lysistrata style. He laughed, doubting my ability to hold out, and then we had sex. :-) So no it doesn't affect our behaviour now. He doesn't withhold sex or kindness or household chores or money or attention from me - and joking aside neither do I. Sure, sometimes there are other things that take priority like jobs and rent and kids and stuff, but we live generously with each other.
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worksforme2: some better and some worse,..virus seems to be slowing down, but people are beginning to refuse to stay inside,...worst thing I see is Biden leading in the election poles,...but that could be fake news
Apr 20, 2020 16:56:22 GMT -5
mirrororchid: Politics? Is that what we want to happen here?
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petrushka: Certainly not American style politics. Toxic echo chambers.
Apr 23, 2020 16:21:52 GMT -5
petrushka: However, I feel that sexual politics, including political moves that impact the relationships between gender (misogynist, misandrist, etc) definitely deserve room in this context.
Apr 23, 2020 16:22:59 GMT -5
fred: just calculated that i've spent somewhere near 19,000 days (& nights) as a "rejectee".AND that allows for 2,000+ days (& nights) on business travel apart from her. i've chosen to "stay" .....would never do that again, and can't as you see doing the math
May 15, 2020 18:01:15 GMT -5
worksforme2: 19000 days and nights,....damn dude, that's 52 yrs.
Jun 17, 2020 9:19:10 GMT -5
fred: you're a little short works - was thinking this AM, there has NEVER been a day when she indicated desire for me physically (other than for heavy lifting or finance)........LOL...........earlier, i had enough libido for both of us, now i'm left with guilt
Jun 20, 2020 13:11:12 GMT -5
fred: over imposing myself on her rather than simply leaving .....DAMN LOVE ANYWAY !
Jun 20, 2020 13:12:12 GMT -5
mesulina: update everyone, still has not happened. I have now come to accept that I will live with out. It is just different now.
Jun 29, 2020 19:32:31 GMT -5
worksforme2: Sorry mesulina,... but on the positive side you did stock up on toys a short time back,..now might be the time to go for the gusto
Jun 30, 2020 17:42:54 GMT -5
grower: Embrace a change, you will wonder why you waited so long
Jul 9, 2020 11:22:56 GMT -5
grower: Your life clock is ticking away, don't waste all your time. Live some.
Jul 24, 2020 9:53:20 GMT -5
fred: blue guy, i was where you are 30 years ago. stayed.................nothing changed. if i didn't love this nice lady so much i'd be in deep regret. if she doesn't think of you in a hundred "other" ways (as does my wife) GET OUT ! Life is short
Aug 10, 2020 17:43:15 GMT -5
jerri: Yuk on the plucking chicken feathers. If a chicken doesn't get sex and intimacy she just finds a beautiful cock sooner or later. I'd say there's a much higher "philandering" rate than anyone would care to admit. The rooster who is tormented findsa chicken!
Sept 10, 2020 8:23:56 GMT -5
csl: And yet, there is an entire segment of ILIASM stayers.
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jerri: Exactly I have read multiple threads. I was very impressed with all the different solutions everyone has found. Intellectual group and the camaraderie is nice
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Handy: What happened to being light outside until 9:30 PM? It is 7:30 PM and dark now.
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jerri: It's not hot there? I am getting a slight break from the heat! Cheer up buddy!
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