Post by mypaintbrushes on Feb 20, 2018 17:11:32 GMT -5
Just a ponder. I was taught as a kid that love is only love if it’s reciprocated. So, if my spouse loves me but I don’t feel the same, it’s not true love.
The same teacher explained to us that unconditional love only exists between God and us (I went to religious school). Additionally, I’ve read that unconditional love is undesirable in a relationship, as the concept can be used by a spouse or SO to excuse bad or abusive behavior. Love is and SHOULD be conditional.
Personal thoughts only - definitely NOT a suggestion.
I think "unconditional love" is a decidedly unhealthy and unhelpful thing in an adult relationship. By inference, it means you will cop any bullshit actions / behaviours in the other person, and then back up for more of the same. And that, will lead you to a super unbalanced relationship, with one person making ALL the concessions, and the other expecting all concessions to go in their favour.
Under such circumstances, it is pretty hard to see how the *extender* of unconditional love has any chance at all of their aspirations and dreams being realised in such an unbalanced environment.
It might also be worth looking into whether it is unconditional love in play - or whether it is more like co-dependence or traumatic bonding. They can all look rather similar to each other.
Unconditional love is not only between us and God, unconditional love exists between parent and child, that's my opinion.
I love my siblings, parents and my children unconditionally. That's possible because it's not romantic love. Love for family stands the test of time, romantic love does not.
Romantic love is perishable, and not unconditional.
Just some of my thoughts
I don't know -- isn't all love conditional to a point? I will always "love" family and friends but if they were continually abusive to me, no, I wouldn't. Regardless of who they are to me.
I understand that and where there's abuse - I agree - we cut them out of our life and most likely not love them but I believe most family relationships are not abusive. As well unconditional love is not just between God and us, I disagree with that. Also another variable is whether a person is capable of loving unconditionally. Some people are more giving of love than others. A big part of that factor in any relationship is honesty and trust too.
I do believe in unconditional love. That doesn’t mean you put up with mistreatment or a toxic relationship. You can, and should, walk away from that. However, walking away and never seeing or speaking with that person again does not mean the love in your own heart has died. It may die in time (sooner or later), or may never die. You may still love that person years later, but you also love and respect yourself enough to know what is not good for your wellbeing. It most definitely is love if it’s not reciprocal. In the words of Rumi, “ love is always in the lover.” Regardless of another’s heart, it is what is in your own that defines love.
I don’t think you can always control love. Most of us have loved someone who wasn’t good for us - even though we knew they weren’t good for us. And some of us have tried to force ourselves to love somebody who’s a perfectly good person, but just not “it” for us. If there is a way to control who you love or don’t love, I’d like to know it. That would solve a lot of problems for me.
I love this painting. It doesn't love me. Do I still love it?
My point is: a. - I can make analogies that do not apply (can't have an analogy without anal.) b.- Yes - I can make anything about sex. c.- MY ability to love is not dependent on others. In fact, I'd think that if my love is dependent on if the actions of another person - I'd question if in fact I did love them. This is not to say that I will approve of everything they do (Children for example) or even I "benefit" from the relationship (my sister). This does not stop me from loving them.
Don't be a perverted asshole. Be a perverted gentleman.
wewbwb, that is a great painting but I like the Don McLean song better.
As to the original question I have difficulty assigning the concepts of conditional or unconditional to the mystery of love. How can it be love if there is negotiation involved? I will only love you if your hair is red and long? Sounds like a business agreement. So if conditional love cannot exist then unconditional love has no meaning, nothing to compare to. Love is love. I think it just needs to be accepted on faith.
I also differentiate between love and a relationship. A relationship is always conditional. It is a series of negotiations to achieve an optimal outcome. A relationship thrives or fails based of the success of negotiations of how the participants lives will intermingle. We on this forum are all too familiar with unsuccessful relationship negotiations. They are usually unsuccessful because love gets into the mix, disrupting the negotiations with emotional attachment. If I go to the car dealer and negotiate for a new car then success may involve leaving and going to a different dealer or a different model. Since neither thecdealer or i have an emotional stake in the relationship then a "no deal" can be successful. However, if I am negotiating for the only 1964 Barracuda fastback for sale in the state and if I am emotionally committed to the car because it reminds me of the first time I got laid then the negotiations and my relationship with the dealer takes on a whole different set of conditions. My emotional attachment to the car sours the negotiations and can cause me to agree to terms that are ultimately unfavorable.
Some days we just want to be held by someone who cares. Some days we just want to hold someone because we care.
worksforme2: hey nancyb, how are things perkolating with the older gentleman you spoke of a while back?
Jul 28, 2018 18:25:32 GMT -5
nancyb: worksforme2: Relationship died when we had a difference in opinion regarding UFO's and extraterrestrial beings. LOL I weighed in on the nay side and he believed they walk amongst us.
Jul 30, 2018 5:51:07 GMT -5
bc: I can’t stop laughing...go ahead, micromanage and analyze that marriage and see what she will do for you.
Jul 30, 2018 8:17:58 GMT -5
Dan: I think I'd have to see how good a new girlfriend was in the sack before I crossed her off the list -- or kicked her out of bed -- for believing in UFOs. I guess that makes me... male!
Jul 30, 2018 21:25:05 GMT -5
solodriver: It's been so long for me, I might see UFOs my first time. lol
Jul 31, 2018 1:42:47 GMT -5
beachguy: nancyb: He's right. It's all in the X Files, if you care to look.
Jul 31, 2018 3:45:13 GMT -5
nancyb: Dan: It was a tough decision, he was a good lover but the craziness ended things. Been dating since but nothing serious. I paint a lot.
Jul 31, 2018 5:57:00 GMT -5
petrushka: Thing is, someone being a fruit-loop about something like UFOs usually is not confined to one area; even if it is not immediately obvious. People who are nutty about one thing can go off at a tangent any time, I found (...out the hard way).
Jul 31, 2018 7:39:29 GMT -5
greatcoastal: nancyb: Sounds like you Identified a Fucking Object for what it truly is!
Jul 31, 2018 8:25:25 GMT -5
worksforme2: nancyb,...I am going to paint my living room soon as I can decide on the color.
Jul 31, 2018 19:15:08 GMT -5
worksforme2: When it comes to UFO's we always hear about "little green men", why are there never any "little green women"?
Aug 1, 2018 6:21:15 GMT -5
solodriver: I think I recall an episode of "Lost In Space where Dr. Smith was being chased by a green woman
Aug 1, 2018 21:29:17 GMT -5